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Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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The joy of mobile apps, pulling as much permissions as possible during install, and abusing of them whenever you run them. When I see this the debate between native apps and web apps is over, and it does not end with native apps winning.

the joy of Android Mobile apps. I dislike Apple for many reasons, but the permission model on iOS is a lot saner than on Android.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

#93

I use this facebook app now: http://i.imgur.com/Iyd43n6.png (Android) It's either a well written FB app, or a no-permissions jail around Facebook's own hybrid-app/mobile-site. GPS no longer turns on, and messaging works for me.

I've found that just running Facebook's mobile site in Chrome works pretty well for most purposes.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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"where are you?" "when will you show up?" "you back home yet?" A lot of these things are questions I routinely get/ask in things like messenger. People with location on usually help us to coordinate things and the like.

Google Hangouts solves this problem in a much more sane way -- Whenever my girlfriend sends me "where are you?" on hangouts, the application prompts me to send a map pin. This solution probably isn't particularly novel, but it's probably better than carte blanche location access, in the opinion of most people.

Google also provides opt-in location tracking via Google+ [0]. You specify who can view your location, and whether it is fine (GPS coordinates) or course (city-level).

My wife and I use this service and find it quite useful - it seems like a much more sane way to handle location sharing than to simply attach your exact location to every message you send by default.

Sadly, since it's buried in Google+, most people are probably unaware of it.

[0] https://support.google.com/plus/answer/2998354?hl=en

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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post #93

I use this facebook app now: http://i.imgur.com/Iyd43n6.png (Android) It's either a well written FB app, or a no-permissions jail around Facebook's own hybrid-app/mobile-site. GPS no longer turns on, and messaging works for me.

I've found that just running Facebook's mobile site in Chrome works pretty well for most purposes.

I've been doing that since I found out they were requiring access to text messages. One year later and I have zero regrets.

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Maybe someone should do a startup with a service like that. It could be called Meetup.com or something.

Meetup seems more oriented towards public events. I'm not offering an open invitation for random folks to come see [band], I'm trying to arrange it with these specific named friends. Who are already my friends on facebook (which is not to say we couldn't equally well become friends on meetup, but does it even have that functionality?).

Maybe they're missing on something if they have no such features.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Hangouts solves this problem in a much more sane way -- Whenever my girlfriend sends me "where are you?" on hangouts, the application prompts me to send a map pin. This solution probably isn't particularly novel, but it's probably better than carte blanche location access, in the opinion of most people.

Google also provides opt-in location tracking via Google+ [0]. You specify who can view your location, and whether it is fine (GPS coordinates) or course (city-level). My wife and I use this service and find it quite useful - it seems like a much more sane way to handle location sharing than to simply attach your exact location to every message you send by default. Sadly, since it's buried in Google+, most people are…

Yeah, this was supposed to be the replacement for Latitude right? You have to know exactly where it is in the app though to find it, it's really not very discoverable

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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I find it hard to grasp why any intelligent individual who knows what goes on with Facebook would still voluntarily remain on Facebook. "Ah but the social ostracization!", seemingly the main reason why otherwise intelligent, informed people do stay on Facebook, just doesn't hold up anymore, as too many cool, socially active 20-somethings I know or are acquainted with have moved off of Facebook, mostly in last 1-2 yea…

I simply don't care about privacy.

I value my social life, and I value being able to actually communicate with my friends.

I have made a conscious and rational decision that my social life is more valuable to me than my privacy.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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> Plus, as soon as email isn't a suitable format to exchange information, I have the impression that the communication is either too broad (shout to the public) or trivial (one liners about nonsense). I don't get it. What do you do when you want to organize a party/group trip to a concert/etc. and invite several people? * Email and reply-all? This means you annoy people who can't make it (they keep seeing all the rep…

Maybe someone should do a startup with a service like that. It could be called Meetup.com or something.

I've had 3 or 4 Meetup groups fold and migrate to Facebook, because Facebook offers basically the same features and some nice extras:

allows private/hidden groups (invite only; Meetup can hide the memberlist and require approval to join but the group existence is still searchable)

free (Meetup currently charges ~$70 for 6 months; source: I'm an organizer for a Meetup group and that's our semi-annual bill. I'm not sure if the scale slides based on membership numbers. I can't find the billing email for the exact number at the moment.)

While I do like Meetup and still use it, using Facebook for small group organization also makes sense.

Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger

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post #62

I find it hard to grasp why any intelligent individual who knows what goes on with Facebook would still voluntarily remain on Facebook. "Ah but the social ostracization!", seemingly the main reason why otherwise intelligent, informed people do stay on Facebook, just doesn't hold up anymore, as too many cool, socially active 20-somethings I know or are acquainted with have moved off of Facebook, mostly in last 1-2 yea…

This is a genuine question: why does not caring that Facebook collects that data make me less intelligent? Edit: Judging from the downvotes, asking this question is quite unpopular. Whilst I understand this opinion is unpopular I remain unconvinced it is less intelligent.

Just like getting a prenuptial agreement - don't worry about it if you don't plan on doing anything with your life.

It's easy to forget - but the information they collect can be used by the group that collects it, and by other parties (Gov't TLAs, hackers, insurance companies, banks, business associates, contractors, partner companies). This can happen now, or at some point in the future.

The data can be combined with other data, such as the National Insurance Database (which is illegal to publicly discuss), to draw conclusions about yourself - possibly based on untrue assumptions.

Master Data programs/systems/initiatives are consolidating, de-duping, and integrating data from disparate systems. It doesn't matter that you put down a fake address 100 times, you just have to put in a real address one time - these systems can collate all the data, validate each one against the USPS database, and toss the fakes.

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