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Re: Why we are leaving Dropbox

#91

It may be time to explain the "So What?" test of writing again. You should ask yourself that question any time you write an article. (Or give a talk, teach a lesson...) If you gave enough information, that should sound like a stupid question. But if it sounds like something that might reasonably be asked, you forgot to communicate something important. In this case, the big missing piece of data is what they will be u…

So what?

Re: Why we are leaving Dropbox

#92
post #34

One problem we have witnessed with Dropbox is that low-tech users tends to delete files they don't personally need. Often times this causes deletion of the files for the entire company. Resultingly admins are afraid to share file access with users, and users are afraid to cause problems, so they ask admins to email the files instead, which sort of puts you back at the square one. We might be approaching a point where…

Dropbox need to do a lot better job on space usage. It is trivial for Dropbox accounts to end up with more usage than many common devices have (cough MacBook Air cough). We had managers deleting content to free up space, not realising that deleted it for everyone. I guess their mental model is seeing the Dropbox folders as more of a cache than synced files affecting everyone.

Yes, there is selective sync. Now use it to reduce consumption by 10GB. It requires lots of non-Dropbox tools to try to achieve that. They do need an alternate way similar to hierarchical storage that brings in files as you need/reference them, rather than everything.

Re: Why we are leaving Dropbox

#93
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that's 90s thinking. Current methods don't require the boxes/services to be directly internet-addressable. An exception is when you have a completely isolated LAN that's not serving internet-connected computers. But that's pretty spartan.

The infections needed to have access to web console (in Synology case, that's port 5000). Unless you are targeted, that's very difficult to achieve even in slightly secured networks (i.e. every possible toggle in settings is not ON). When you are targeted, it does not matter, whether you use Synology or Dropbox, the approach is tailored to your situation.

For just one technique, read up on DNS rebinding attacks vs home "routers". Same works against NAS devices.

These devices are so common that it is cost effective to do against a bunch of device+vuln combos in a mass drive-by fashion (served by compromised or shady ad networks or any of the other 100 methods that get you to follow a bad link).

Or there's going to be another taiwanese device or PC compromised on your LAN and it'll automatically portscan & metasploit all your network in 5 minutes.

Also don't think getting "targeted" means you have to be James Bond-special. It can mean someone found a prominent blog they'd like to inject their rogue ads on. Or you pissed someone off online and they got some script kiddies to spend 10 minutes to ruin your day and get their laughs (or $20 in bitcoin).

Dropbox's security guys will detect these after they get used a few times (before they get to you), unlike your taiwanese NAS vendor who will only do something half-assed 2 weeks after it hits the news. Or nothing when it doesn't hit the news, as often happens.

All in all the mindset that you have "LAN" or "intranet" that's a significant security perimeter is outdated even if you're nobody. Don't make a network that's "hard and crunchy on the outside, soft and chewy on the inside".

Re: Why we are leaving Dropbox

#95

> If you have to execute bulk operations, your only option is to first sync everything to a local machine, then move stuff around there (or delete it) and wait for the low performance desktop client to shovel everything back up upstream. > It’s such a flawed design. > One major advantage of cloud storage and selective sync is that I conveniently want to be able to re-organise files and folders through my Browser, wit…

What I've really always wanted, and still never seen, is "Hierarchical Storage Management with the canonical copies of everything in the cloud, and a bounded-size MRU cache on all my local devices, but where updates to the cached files are taken as updates to the canonical version."

This way, you'd be able to have petabytes of stuff seemingly "synced" to your local disk; stuff would just be (much) slower to access the first time, or if you hadn't used it in a while. (Sort of like Apple's "fusion drives", but with the spinning disk very, very far away.)

It's almost like a FUSE-mounted WebDAV share or somesuch, but where you interact with it through its local cache on your real filesystem, rather than by your OS making its read/write requests to the server itself.

Re: Why we are leaving Dropbox

#96

I've moved away from Dropbox purely because the desktop (OS X) app has gotten so terrible. Besides the lack of responsiveness mentioned in the article, Dropbox routinely takes up > 90% of my CPU resources while running. If I'm working at a coffee shop without power, having Dropbox running literally halves my battery life. This is new as of the last six months, and happens consistently across multiple Macs. I've asked…

On my MacBook, the OS X client has said "Syncing (29 files remaining)" for as long as I can remember.

As far as I can tell, there's no way to tell which of my 18,394 files are stuck.

Re: Why we are leaving Dropbox

#97
I'm surprised there are not more people on HN who don't use Dropbox due to NSA/privacy concerns. Do you really want to worry about all your files, which are probably your most valuable ones, being out in the open to any Dropbox, NSA, or other law enforcement employee? Do you really trust Dropbox to not have a repeat of accidentally allowing your files to be publicly viewable by anyone? When there are encrypted alternatives that are as easy to use, there is seemingly no point of using Dropbox.

Re: Why we are leaving Dropbox

#98

I've been using copy.com for a while and I'm quite happy with it. The main reason I chose it (at the time) was 20GB for free accounts, fair storage in shared folders and pricing (I have the 250GB account). (Disclaimer: this is a referral link that will give us 5gb https://copy.com?r=b2yUAQ ;-))

I use both and one thing that really bothers me about both services is that they don't work well with proxies and laptops.

My company forces me to use a proxy so I must manually configure Dropbox and Copy with that proxy info even though I've already configured OS X to use the proxy. Why can't they obtain the system-wide OS X proxy info that all other (non command line) apps use?

When I'm not at work the proxy isn't available and neither Dropbox nor Copy will recognize that fact and bypass it. Instead they just hang, even though all other GUI apps are fine. I have to manually turn proxying off in each app in order to get syncing to work. It's not only a pain to do this but it's also easy to forget, and then you wind up with files you need that haven't been synced.

Re: Why we are leaving Dropbox

#99

I've been using copy.com for a while and I'm quite happy with it. The main reason I chose it (at the time) was 20GB for free accounts, fair storage in shared folders and pricing (I have the 250GB account). (Disclaimer: this is a referral link that will give us 5gb https://copy.com?r=b2yUAQ ;-))

Note that Copy.com is owned by Barracuda. If you're considering leaving Dropbox for privacy or political reasons, be aware there may be similar concerns with Barracuda.

Re: Why we are leaving Dropbox

#100
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. Innovation is not what I want out of Dropbox. I want stability, speed, and continued bug fixes. The one point I agree with him on though is that the web interface could use some work.

This is what happened with Google. The innovated on the UI front multiple times, and I'm really starting to dislike their new design changes on Drive, GMail (by way of Inbox), etc.

I haven't been happy with GMails UI in a very long time. I've moved onto fastmail in part because of how much I started to dislike their UI.

I've been on fastmail for 11 months now and couldn't be happier.

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