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French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by cm2187 »

dagw wrote: post #45
gerty wrote: post #3

French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. I'm assuming it's largely strategic. "Everybody" wanted to pass the bill, but no one wanted it on their voting record since they knew it was controversial. So everybody got together and selected a small number of martyrs to go sully themselves while everybody else could keep their hands clean.

In all fairness no one really watches voting records in France like people do in the US. Most of the time most French MP don't bother showing up, even for important votes. Particularly if they are late at night.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by donkeyd »

Aissen wrote: post #70
cm2187 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you need direct democracy. With modern communications, there is no reason to organize frequent elections on key issues, like in Switzerland.

Not a silver bullet. With this we'd still have the death penalty; or voted for populists measures like banning minarets.

Completely agree, pseudoscience and fear mongering will rule the world if this happens...

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by [deleted] »

pmontra wrote: post #68
zz1 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They announced that they are going to relocate, indeed: https://eu.ovh.com/fr/news/articles/a1743.le-gouvernement-ve... And launched a big initiative to federate tech actors against the bill: http://ni-pigeons-ni-espions.fr/ ######## Breaking ######## Octave Klaba finally declares that the bill doesn't compromise the trust chain. https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/588666965755092993

They have two data centers in France and one in Canada. Canada is too many ms away so I probably have to relocate my services to another company. Too bad because the price was good even if customer service is abysmal (for VPSes). Anybody here knows about another company selling VPSes with similar prices and features? Thanks.

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Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by UVB-76 »

mtanski wrote: post #33

Can anyone point to an alternative to Gandhi.net for domains / SSL? Works well, good service, not godaddy.

I've never understood the cult of Gandi on HN.

They're overpriced, and in my experience, their customer service is disgusting. I would never recommend them.

Namecheap are cheaper, better, and have done more for HN-related causes than Gandi ever will.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by deciplex »

eshowk wrote: post #73
rtpg wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realize there wasn't a quorum rule

In the constitution of the 5th republic, there is no quorum rule nor a "recall" referendum at mid-term nor a prohibition of multi tenures. That's why we need to change to basic rules of the institutions. We need rules to avoid such democratic thefts in the future, rules written by the people, not the politics professionals. This is what citizen groups like "Mouvement pour la 6eme République" advocates for ( http://ww…

How's the constitution for the 6th one coming along?

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by mercurial »

cm2187 wrote: post #87
Aissen wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a silver bullet. With this we'd still have the death penalty; or voted for populists measures like banning minarets.

Then you don't really believe in democracy, and I have to disagree.

No, you have to understand how human nature works. Unfortunately, it is much easier to get people worked up about populist issues than about something that matters. I think the record speaks for itself.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by realusername »

(French here). This was quite expected, the government slowly adopted more and more laws to restrict freedom and to watch everyone during the past ten years, this is not the first nor the last law, this is just another step for the next law which will be even worse. The government is even censoring comments on social media about the law when it's not going in their direction (I'm not even joking).

The French democracy has been completely broken for a long time and a few relics from the past are still working now. The times when the country was called "the land of the human rights" are long gone. I see a few people trying to contact their representative but it's already too late, the democracy is gone, forget about it, it will just slow things down a bit but that's all, the politicians in power are too corrupted and the system too broken for that to work.

The best solution now for us now is the technical one, to prevent them to do it. But even that solution is temporary, one day or an other, when they will start to attack random citizens, things will have to change... as the quote is saying, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.".

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by zz1 »

mhandley wrote: post #71
zz1 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They announced that they are going to relocate, indeed: https://eu.ovh.com/fr/news/articles/a1743.le-gouvernement-ve... And launched a big initiative to federate tech actors against the bill: http://ni-pigeons-ni-espions.fr/ ######## Breaking ######## Octave Klaba finally declares that the bill doesn't compromise the trust chain. https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/588666965755092993

From machine translation of his tweets, he seems to be saying that an amendment (#437) was added last night, before the bill was passed, that makes things not so bad for datacenters. Can anyone with better French than me say what the amendment was?

The amendment is, as Tristan Nitot said, "A lot of promises, very few facts". And even after saying that the amendment improves the situation, Octave still says that the law is bad:

https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/588670226138583040

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by Mimu »

zz1 wrote: post #9
gerty wrote: post #3

French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

They announced that they are going to relocate, indeed: https://eu.ovh.com/fr/news/articles/a1743.le-gouvernement-ve... And launched a big initiative to federate tech actors against the bill: http://ni-pigeons-ni-espions.fr/ ######## Breaking ######## Octave Klaba finally declares that the bill doesn't compromise the trust chain. https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/588666965755092993

Rofl they surrender quickly.
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