Live data from Hacker News

Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

recode.net

91–100 of 123 posts

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#91
post #21
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on. Nokia was doing a fine job of lowering the value of their handset business on their own.

He is absolutely right.

For those of you in the downvote mood please search about the hidden bonus given by NOKIA's board to Elop in his original contract for selling off phone division and then carefully evaluate the steps he did. His execution was almost perfect in the light of this "small part" of his contract.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#92
post #35

Patents. That's what this has to be about. Produce little to nothing and just sue for royalties on other manufacturers.

Just because you can't see the Nokia logo on the cell towers and base stations doesn't mean we don't make them. I'll take physical evidence and a balance sheet over dumb stuff like this.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#94
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. It wasn't Elop who created one of the most dysfunctional software development units ever. He was brought in when the damage of previous bad management was just becoming fully apparent. Nokia in 2007-2010 was spending many times more than Apple on R&D. For that money, they got multiple infighting operating system teams each developing their own half-baked thing (Symbian, MeeGo, Qt, S40) and device teams that wer…

Two words: burning platform. http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/06/the-fin... There was just no reason to write a memo like that. It destroyed their business, almost singlehandedly, and no, I'm not exaggerating. The consequences of that memo were insane: Nokia's handset sales died all over the world all at once.

> There was just no reason to write a memo like that

There was a very good reason to write it. Internally Nokia was delusional and confused, and desperately needed a wake-up call. Nothing less would have sufficed.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#96

Nokia recently auctioned off literal tons of engineering equipment. Looks like they closed a huge engineering facility in Oulu, Finland. A lot of it looked like obsolete stuff (like for a big product line sustaining-engineering group). I don't know enough about cellular to say whether or how much of the stuff was really useful for new product development; but some of the equipment looked very recent. The only thing t…

There's some very sweet gear in that auction, pity I didn't know about it earlier :(

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#97
post #18

Essentially this means that Nokia won't get back into consumer hardware for a good while. The mapping division (Here) will probably be sold soon. The mobile networks business is now the primary driver at the company. They'll have their hands full trying to integrate the Alcatel-Lucent networks business with their existing assets. (Remember that Nokia's networks business today is already the result of a merger with Si…

Nokia also designed the hardware and wrote the software for the N1, so i wouldn't call it a traditional brand licensing thing a la Kodak/Polaroid. I should know, I was PM on it.

The marketing and launch for the product was very weird if this is the case. Why was it emphasized that it's a brand licensing deal? I think being so loud about it certainly diminished the value of the product. If Nokia designed the product, hardware and software, how is it different from the typical model (Apple etc.)? Is it because the 'producing' and money for the product came from the Chinese? I.e. the Chinese took the investment risk.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#98
HERE engineer here (yes, I also sometimes hate the noticeable amount of redundancy of our corporate brand). One important point that analysts haven't stressed enough while evaluating potential buyers, is the role our top customers play in all this dance.

By top customers I'm referring to car manufacturers in particular. They are the ones who are paying/will pay top dollar for our connected car offerings. A sale to a single car manufacturer would make the rest go away. A sale to Google, for example, would completely destroy our trust – these guys hate Google. A sale to Uber... Same thing.

Facebook, maybe? They've been known for respecting independence of acquired companies to a high degree. That could be one of our best shots IMO.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#99
post #35

Patents. That's what this has to be about. Produce little to nothing and just sue for royalties on other manufacturers.

I think you -- and others who haven't checked, which is understandable -- imagine that after Nokia sold their handset business to Microsoft, nothing was left but a tiny little husk. If that were true, your assumption would probably be correct, but it isn't. Nokia ended 2014 with over 60,000 employees worldwide and nearly €13B in revenue. They're still a really big company. Sure, they make some money from patent licensing -- as do all companies of that size -- but the vast majority of their revenue comes from network equipment and services.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#100

HERE engineer here (yes, I also sometimes hate the noticeable amount of redundancy of our corporate brand). One important point that analysts haven't stressed enough while evaluating potential buyers, is the role our top customers play in all this dance. By top customers I'm referring to car manufacturers in particular. They are the ones who are paying/will pay top dollar for our connected car offerings. A sale to a…

Is it perceived as a given that Nokia's going to dump HERE? I used to be with the Point & Find group, which is what became City Lens -- my impression is that they were working on a quasi-secret project all last year, some kind of outdoor adventure thing, but I noticed last month that just about everyone I'd worked with changed their LinkedIn status to things no longer associated with Nokia/HERE.
Post reply on HN