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Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

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Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

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Post by kuschku »

Kalium wrote: post #63
emn13 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really can't imagine this has any impact on any chinese intelligence agency whatsoever. Tianhe-2 is already the #1 supercomputer - what possible difference could a minor (it's not an order of magnituge faster, and software doesn't scale perfectly anyhow) upgrade make?

It cuts off one avenue by which a foreign country might gain useful information from within American companies. China in particular is notorious for their industrial espionage.

That’s actually a hilarious statement, considering how notorious the US is for their industrial espionage. Both china and the US are equally bad in that situation, and both equally try to fully observe every single step any of their people does.

Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

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Post by guan »

Crito wrote: post #40
criley2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's naive to assume that America makes all the processors. Intel and AMD have fabs all over Europe and the Middle East. Germany and Israel are known for their processor fabs. Processor makers are multinationals, not national companies. Both AMD and Intel are bigger than the US. If China stops buying from major multinational US companies, the entire Western tech industry will be hurt. No American jobs are lost when a…

Most Intel fabs are in the US, particularly the new ones. Only one Intel fab is in Israel. All but one 14nm Intel fabs are in the US (the exception is in Ireland). The Intel fab in China is 65nm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_sit... AMD is now a fabless company. They contract with other companies that own fabs.

Samsung also has a big fab in Austin, Texas, which makes many of Apple’s chips.

Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

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Post by outworlder »

kuschku wrote: post #91
Kalium wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It cuts off one avenue by which a foreign country might gain useful information from within American companies. China in particular is notorious for their industrial espionage.

That’s actually a hilarious statement, considering how notorious the US is for their industrial espionage. Both china and the US are equally bad in that situation, and both equally try to fully observe every single step any of their people does.

Not the same, though. The US does quite a lot of original research. Industrial espionage in this context is more about predicting the adversary's moves, not stealing their IP.

The 'stealing' part takes on many forms. One of them is:

http://thediplomat.com/2013/11/how-china-plans-to-use-the-su...

> Russia understandably became upset when its star export appeared as an indigenously produced J-11 in China – without a licensing agreement.

In short, China has a pretty large technological gap, and does anything necessary to shorten the gap as quickly as possible.

And that's the government. There's no indication that private Chinese companies are any better in this regard. In fact, you can even find 'counterfeit' cars.

One wonders why US companies outsource their manufacturing there. Their technology will be 're purposed', without any need of industrial espionage, by the standard definition of it.

Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #84
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a figure of speech, not a cultural reference. Yes, but it looks like the author thought they were being clever by using that specific phrase, given the article was about China.

Not really it's an extremely common term that people use all the time. Has nothing to do with china or japan.

...did you even read my comment?

Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

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Post by saganus »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #64
saganus wrote: post #43

I know this is nitpicking but... I really hate when journalists who I would presume have some studies in literature, confuse "then" and "than". I'm not a native English speaker and I know the difference, and for some reason this particular mistake and "their/they're/there" makes me choke. Like I said, totally nitpicking on an otherwise interesting article but still... "...with true blue CPUs possibly faster per socke…

In some dialects, "then" and "than" are pronounced identically, so it is reasonable that they might be confused.

Really? I did not know this.

Interesting. What kind of dialects are you referring to?

Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

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Post by saganus »

jjoonathan wrote: post #55
saganus wrote: post #43

I know this is nitpicking but... I really hate when journalists who I would presume have some studies in literature, confuse "then" and "than". I'm not a native English speaker and I know the difference, and for some reason this particular mistake and "their/they're/there" makes me choke. Like I said, totally nitpicking on an otherwise interesting article but still... "...with true blue CPUs possibly faster per socke…

This kind of thing can creep up when you least expect it. I'm a native speaker, I've had a solid and reliable intellectual understanding of these distinctions since grade school, and yet somehow on a paper a few years back I substituted "weather" for "whether" throughout the whole thing. Not because I had forgotten the distinction, but because I just wasn't paying attention.

I guess you have a fair point. And I'm certain I've made such mistakes as well, it's just that I can't stand those two particular errors for whatever reason :) Maybe I'm getting old...
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