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Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

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Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#91

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Canada is in America, I knew that this would come, could not resist the bait ;-) Arguably the last part applies less to Canada.

If smugness had value Europe would be a superpower and not a toothless windbag.

I would argue that articles like these indicate, that the people of Europe indeed have more power as citizens than people of other countries. I do not see how Europe would benefit from being a superpower again.

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#92

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If you had bothered to read the article you would know this was Canadian Border Patrol.

I was indeed referring to both Canada (because of this article) and the US (because of previously read articles) and therefore used your continents name in anticipation of comments like this.

What vassal state do you live in?

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#93

Does our world have even one country that is not awful but at least passable? (Preferrably one you can actually live in?) The shrinking life space makes me contemplate suicide.

People _used_ to say "Im moving to New Zealand!", but the Mega/Kimdotcom fiasco and some of the most recent Snowden files show they're no better than any of the rest of them.

I'm hoping Elon gets us to Mars and we get to leave the B-Ark behind on this once-nice rock that we're busy destroying for ourselves...

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#95
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No, I brought out my phone to bring up an email showing the ebay ad for the car in question and at that point they asked me to hand over my phone. From now on, I'm backing it up and wiping it before I get to the border. Just on principle.

Unfortunately, the best policy when dealing with these people is "say and do as little as possible". Give one word answers and don't offer any other information that you're specifically asked for. Also, don't engage in any friendly conversation. I tried that before and would get hounded by questions whereas if I just answer "Yes", "no", "2 weeks", "travelling" then I get through much more quickly.

Time again to remind people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

"Don't talk to Police"

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#96

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just fyi, this was in Canada. just as bad :(

Canada is in America, I knew that this would come, could not resist the bait ;-) Arguably the last part applies less to Canada.

Is Canada fighting for Democracy elsewhere?

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#97

Customs officials forcing you to unlock your phone is not just an invasion of privacy - it's a pointless invasion of privacy. Customs agents don't even know where to start in finding data that a user wants hidden. Even if allowed access to personal devices, data is slippery enough that it could be stored in almost anything. Here's yet another example of taking away rights in a way that does nothing to deter actual cr…

I had this experience. My laptop wasn't locked, but I was asked to let someone look through it. That took about 20 minutes, which caused me to miss my coincidence. Since I now had time to waste, I asked to see the customs lady's supervisor, and then berated the person who inspected my laptop for not having any idea how to do this sort of search properly. So, I ended up sitting both the customs lady and her supervisor…

Hilarious! Did you ever receive payment for services rendered?

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#98
post #50

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_v._California

American case law doesn't really hold for Canada.

And in any case, at borders there is not the same level of protection as within the country:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

"This doctrine is not actually an exception to the Fourth Amendment, but rather to the Amendment's requirement for a warrant or probable cause. Balanced against the sovereign's interests at the border are the Fourth Amendment rights of entrants. Not only is the expectation of privacy less at the border than in the interior,the Fourth Amendment balance between the interests of the Government and the privacy right of the individual is also struck much more favorably to the Government at the border.This balance at international borders means that routine searches are "reasonable" there, and therefore do not violate the Fourth Amendment's proscription against "unreasonable searches and seizures"

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#99

Does our world have even one country that is not awful but at least passable? (Preferrably one you can actually live in?) The shrinking life space makes me contemplate suicide.

Iceland and the Netherlands have pretty decent records on this sort of thing.

Re: Canadian Charged for Not Unlocking Smartphone at Canadian Border

#100
post #83
post #46

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Like David Miranda? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald...

Now that was a political maneuver. The article about the guy in Canada didn't say what the reason was for searching him. >"Officers are trained in examination, investigative and questioning techniques. To divulge our approach may render our techniques ineffective. Officers are trained to look for indicators of deception and use a risk management approach in determining which goods may warrant a closer look" This stat…

That description seems awfully close to saying an officer can selectively interfere with someone's life just because the officer didn't like the look of him.

I think we all know how that one turns out.

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