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Re: The Emularity

#91

Post by PhasmaFelis »

tedks wrote: post #55
lione wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other other hand, Vinyl at least has some upsides. Listening to a Vinyl is an experience, plus it's lossless, and physically owning a record is cool/makes good art/conversation pieces. Windows3.11 would be interesting to check out, but it'd be more like something you'd check out for 20 minutes to see how it used to be done, then you'd go back to your modern OS. Vinyl is an experience, most older software is a…

On the other other hand, Windows 3.1 has some upsides. Running Windows 3.1 is an experience, plus it's on DOS, and having a Windows 3.1 install on your laptop is cool/makes good art/conversations pieces. Vinyl would be interesting to listen to once or twice to show off to your friends, but it'd be more like something you'd set up once to see how it used to be done, then you'd go back to an iPod. Windows 3.1 is an exp…

It doesn't actually make any sense your way, though.

Re: The Emularity

#92

Post by PhasmaFelis »

tedks wrote: post #55
lione wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other other hand, Vinyl at least has some upsides. Listening to a Vinyl is an experience, plus it's lossless, and physically owning a record is cool/makes good art/conversation pieces. Windows3.11 would be interesting to check out, but it'd be more like something you'd check out for 20 minutes to see how it used to be done, then you'd go back to your modern OS. Vinyl is an experience, most older software is a…

On the other other hand, Windows 3.1 has some upsides. Running Windows 3.1 is an experience, plus it's on DOS, and having a Windows 3.1 install on your laptop is cool/makes good art/conversations pieces. Vinyl would be interesting to listen to once or twice to show off to your friends, but it'd be more like something you'd set up once to see how it used to be done, then you'd go back to an iPod. Windows 3.1 is an exp…

It doesn't actually make any sense your way, though.

Re: The Emularity

#93

Post by rwallace »

textfiles wrote: post #86
fpgaminer wrote: post #74

Jason Scott is such a weird and wonderful person. I highly recommend watching BBS: The Documentary. Episode 8 was especially interesting and moving in a way I didn't expect. I would say, in brutal honesty, the production values are (unfortunately) low, but the content is pure gold, and well makes up for it. So my thanks go out to Jason Scott and the small crowd of computing historians he unofficially represents. As a…

Nope, I'm going to do it, I'm going to focus right on one sentence and ignore all the compliments. The BBS documentary was shot across 4 years on my own dime (no crowdfunding, my family helped pay for the camera) and traveling to 20 states, from 2001-2004, and then released in 2005. (10 years ago). This means some footage was shot as long as 14 years ago. "Production Value" is a very specific term - it is almost alwa…

As someone who liked your documentaries, I think you're misinterpreting the previous poster. 'Production values' doesn't refer to skill or attention - those qualities are clearly present in your work. It just refers to those aspects of a work which are simple functions of money spent. To say your work has low production values, then, just means you clearly didn't have a large budget, which is true but nothing to feel bad about - you did a great job with the resources you had.

Re: The Emularity

#94

Post by marcosdumay »

ColinDabritz wrote: post #20
marcosdumay wrote: post #10

Who creates an emilator for Windows 3.11 and doesn't install the ski game?

'the ski game' is likely Ski Free. Delightfully, the author has created a 32 bit version of the game, if you want to run it on your modern desktop. You can also download the 16 bit original version. Considering the simplicity of his page, and the browser now running in the emulator, it should be possible to download and run the 16 bit version from his website: http://ski.ihoc.net/#download

That's just great! Thank you.

Re: The Emularity

#95

Post by textfiles »

rwallace wrote: post #93
textfiles wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, I'm going to do it, I'm going to focus right on one sentence and ignore all the compliments. The BBS documentary was shot across 4 years on my own dime (no crowdfunding, my family helped pay for the camera) and traveling to 20 states, from 2001-2004, and then released in 2005. (10 years ago). This means some footage was shot as long as 14 years ago. "Production Value" is a very specific term - it is almost alwa…

As someone who liked your documentaries, I think you're misinterpreting the previous poster. 'Production values' doesn't refer to skill or attention - those qualities are clearly present in your work. It just refers to those aspects of a work which are simple functions of money spent. To say your work has low production values, then, just means you clearly didn't have a large budget, which is true but nothing to feel…

I'm hoping that's the case, and I'm sure I'm oversensitive on this topic. It's just that subject was particularly important to me, and any impression that I didn't care so much about capturing that story before the chance to get the story was over just makes me over react.

Re: The Emularity

#96

Post by rattray »

textfiles wrote: post #86
fpgaminer wrote: post #74

Jason Scott is such a weird and wonderful person. I highly recommend watching BBS: The Documentary. Episode 8 was especially interesting and moving in a way I didn't expect. I would say, in brutal honesty, the production values are (unfortunately) low, but the content is pure gold, and well makes up for it. So my thanks go out to Jason Scott and the small crowd of computing historians he unofficially represents. As a…

Nope, I'm going to do it, I'm going to focus right on one sentence and ignore all the compliments. The BBS documentary was shot across 4 years on my own dime (no crowdfunding, my family helped pay for the camera) and traveling to 20 states, from 2001-2004, and then released in 2005. (10 years ago). This means some footage was shot as long as 14 years ago. "Production Value" is a very specific term - it is almost alwa…

"High Production Values" implies, to me, cameras that cost many tens of thousands of dollars, several cameramen, dozens of other crew, etc. One person working extremely hard for many years with the most expensive cameras available on a high personal budget speaks _quality_ to me, but I would still use the phrase "Low Production Value". So I'd use that phrase reverently in this case, not derogatorily.

It's pretty awesome to hear the backstory too, so thanks for sharing =) I think I have a new documentary to watch!

EDIT: In other words, at least to this layperson...

> "Production Value" is a very specific term - it is almost always used to indicate skill or attention to the final product.

... isn't true for me. I use that phrase to refer to budget and equipment, not skill and heart. I think the same is true of most other people outside of the film world.

Re: The Emularity

#97

Post by [deleted] »

lione wrote: post #52
RyanMcGreal wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, a 20-year-old probably didn't grow up with a record player but suddenly vinyl is in a huge renaissance.

On the other other hand, Vinyl at least has some upsides. Listening to a Vinyl is an experience, plus it's lossless, and physically owning a record is cool/makes good art/conversation pieces. Windows3.11 would be interesting to check out, but it'd be more like something you'd check out for 20 minutes to see how it used to be done, then you'd go back to your modern OS. Vinyl is an experience, most older software is a…

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Re: The Emularity

#98

Post by bai0 »

db48x wrote: post #88
bai0 wrote: post #36

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Actually, PPP over Websockets has some really interesting implications. Raw TCP/UDP in your browser is a potentially powerful thing. It's like a VPN client in your browser - once you're connected, you can bridge private networks, or establish pure TCP connections to any server on the internet, without special-case wrappers or browser-imposed WebSocket restrictions.

Hopefully it won't ever be used for a serious VPN; tunnelling TCP inside of TCP (or UDP inside of TCP) leads to well-known stability problems.

There's always the possibility of using WebRTC data as a transport instead of WebSockets.

It's like a 7-layer burrito with extra helpings of sour cream and guac - a bit mushy, but still a burrito.

Re: The Emularity

#99

Post by db48x »

bai0 wrote: post #98
db48x wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully it won't ever be used for a serious VPN; tunnelling TCP inside of TCP (or UDP inside of TCP) leads to well-known stability problems.

There's always the possibility of using WebRTC data as a transport instead of WebSockets. It's like a 7-layer burrito with extra helpings of sour cream and guac - a bit mushy, but still a burrito.

Yes, I'd forgotten about that! Use a data channel with no retransmissions and it should work perfectly.

Re: The Emularity

#100

Post by tedks »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #91
tedks wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other other hand, Windows 3.1 has some upsides. Running Windows 3.1 is an experience, plus it's on DOS, and having a Windows 3.1 install on your laptop is cool/makes good art/conversations pieces. Vinyl would be interesting to listen to once or twice to show off to your friends, but it'd be more like something you'd set up once to see how it used to be done, then you'd go back to an iPod. Windows 3.1 is an exp…

It doesn't actually make any sense your way, though.

That can be your opinion, but computer usage is a subjective experience and I'm entitled to my opinion as well. I find Windows 3.1 to be a superior computing experience; it has a charm and novelty about it that later Windows versions haven't been able to duplicate. I find the experience richer and more satisfying. Also, I like having to restart my computer and swap out physical floppy disks -- the tactile sensation and sound of disk access is much more pleasing than modern, silent, sterile SSDs.
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