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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by redthrowaway »

x0x0 wrote: post #87
redthrowaway wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GG and 8chan are the least of 4chan's problems if they were trying to sell. Constant loli, gore, and racist threads would be a far bigger turn off to a potential buyer. GG and 8chan threads were just banned because of his personal beliefs.

or the constant posting of child porn

Hasn't happened in a long time. I haven't seen CP on /b/ in probably 2-3 years. Granted, I'm not on it much these days, but it went from being something you'd see constantly to something you see rarely, if ever.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by x0x0 »

redthrowaway wrote: post #91
x0x0 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or the constant posting of child porn

Hasn't happened in a long time. I haven't seen CP on /b/ in probably 2-3 years. Granted, I'm not on it much these days, but it went from being something you'd see constantly to something you see rarely, if ever.

it's still in b regularly

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by jedrek »

mahranch wrote: post #54

The problem I see with his retiring is one I've experienced on reddit as a moderator. When someone higher than you "retires" or goes otherwise inactive, yet still retains the power they hold, they inevitably come back. It's guaranteed. Even if it's only for a day. That doesn't sound like a problem at first, but it's a HUGE problem. Why? Because new policies, rules or ways of handling things get enacted or evolve and…

I saw something like that just a few months ago. A mod who'd gone offline decided to come back and was angry that nobody knew who he was and that we have our own private in-jokes and way of doing things. It was like having a friend come back from a year abroad and getting angry that we didn't wait for them to continue being friends.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

jedberg wrote: post #84
gmu3 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

moot is never capitalized. I guess we'll see but I mainly read it as he was stepping down as an administrator.

> moot is never capitalized Neither is reddit, but the press doesn't seem to care and a lot of users don't realize it either. Protip: Never make your brand "always lowercase" because it just won't work.

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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by nemothekid »

ANTSANTS wrote: post #82
wpietri wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is because 4chan was being used as an organizing nexus for a bunch of people widely seen as abusive and misogynist, and he just no longer wanted the headache. Years ago I worked on bianca.com (early community site; founded 1994, Webby 1997, closed in the dot-com bust), which had a similar unfettered-free-speech aspect to it. I feel a lot of sympathy here. Committing to publishing everything is one of those p…

That's fair, but then he shouldn't have been surprised when his site started hemorrhaging users who were there entirely for the freedom of speech they enjoyed. 8chan will probably last much longer than 4chan precisely because Fredrick refuses to make those judgement calls about what is and isn't acceptable. He doesn't need to bear a heavy conscience about what kind of speech he is allowing, he just follows the law to…

>he shouldn't have been surprised when his site started hemorrhaging users who were there entirely for the freedom of speech they enjoyed.

Is this an accepted stat or is this a soundbite used by 8chan supporters? I've seen this repeated often, but it doesn't seem true. According to the archive stats (https://archive.moe/vg/statistics/activity/, https://archive.moe/a/statistics/activity/, https://archive.moe/v/statistics/activity/) - 4chan's traffic and activity has been stable.

>8chan will probably last much longer than 4chan precisely because Fredrick refuses to make those judgement calls about what is and isn't acceptable. He doesn't need to bear a heavy conscience about what kind of speech he is allowing, he just follows the law to the letter and lets people do their thing.

I honestly don't see how 8chan is different from 7chan, and I'm willing to bet that after the controversy is over 8chan's influence will die down much like 7chan's.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by cmdrfred »

mlacitation wrote: post #3
Sealy wrote: post #2

4chan is blocked at my work, can someone copy and paste the content or post a TLDR. Thanks in advance!

I founded 4chan eleven and a half years ago at the age of 15, and after more than a decade of service, I've decided it's time for me to move on. 4chan has faced numerous challenges over the years, including how to continuously satisfy a community of millions, and ensure the site has the human, technical, and financial resources to continue operating. But the biggest hurdle it's had to overcome is myself. As 4chan's s…

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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by headwayoldest »

ANTSANTS wrote: post #82
wpietri wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is because 4chan was being used as an organizing nexus for a bunch of people widely seen as abusive and misogynist, and he just no longer wanted the headache. Years ago I worked on bianca.com (early community site; founded 1994, Webby 1997, closed in the dot-com bust), which had a similar unfettered-free-speech aspect to it. I feel a lot of sympathy here. Committing to publishing everything is one of those p…

That's fair, but then he shouldn't have been surprised when his site started hemorrhaging users who were there entirely for the freedom of speech they enjoyed. 8chan will probably last much longer than 4chan precisely because Fredrick refuses to make those judgement calls about what is and isn't acceptable. He doesn't need to bear a heavy conscience about what kind of speech he is allowing, he just follows the law to…

Ever heard the phrase "my right to extend my arm stops at your nose"? Online harassment and freedom of speech are similarly related.

It may be a slippery slope, but it's an important one to navigate. Throwing your hands up and saying "well all these horrible manchildren would just organize somewhere else to harass people, so I might as well let them do it here!" isn't bravery, it's opportunism.

As far as 8chan outlasting 4chan? Unlikely unless the owner realizes he's sitting on a ticking time bomb of federal criminal cases.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by jedberg »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #94
jedberg wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> moot is never capitalized Neither is reddit, but the press doesn't seem to care and a lot of users don't realize it either. Protip: Never make your brand "always lowercase" because it just won't work.

iPhone

Hah, good point. That might be the only one that actually works.

However, it has an advantage in that it's rarely the start of a sentence (usually it will be The iPhone), and anyone using a Mac will have it autocorrect.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by lotharbot »

mahranch wrote: post #54

The problem I see with his retiring is one I've experienced on reddit as a moderator. When someone higher than you "retires" or goes otherwise inactive, yet still retains the power they hold, they inevitably come back. It's guaranteed. Even if it's only for a day. That doesn't sound like a problem at first, but it's a HUGE problem. Why? Because new policies, rules or ways of handling things get enacted or evolve and…

I once had to tell the co-founder of a site that had been handed over to my control "go back to lurking for a while".

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by mhurron »

na85 wrote: post #34
Karunamon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody actually knows. People have been banned for violations of the stated rules on each board despite not actually violating them, people have been left alone for flagrant violations of said rules. Board features like names, macros, and so on are toggled on and off more or less on a whim. To say that 4chan's enforcement is inconsistent would be an understatement. But, the chaos is a feature, not a bug. Something to…

>it's basically Reddit, but for image boards I think reddit has shown us quite conclusively that the "create-your-own-niche" paradigm simply leads to a series of over-specialized echo chambers with perpetually rising levels of groupthink and self-reinforcing, self-congratulatory posting. In other words I think reddit's architecture amplifies shitposting rather than mitigating it.

4chan isn't really different. Instead of taking your ball to another subreddit where you can now bully everyone who disagrees with you, 4chan just screams at you until you submit to the will of the board or you take your ball to some other website.

Reddit and 4chan are both pretty big echo chambers, it's just the way they (the users) maintain it that's different.

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