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Re: “Warning: Do Not use my mirrors/services until I have reviewed the situation”

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I agree about C and C++, but is there a language that exists today that you think would be better for writing security-conscious code? Should a language be invented that is specifically for writing security-conscious code?

Rust, for the former, Cryptol for the latter (just one caveat: written by the NSA/influenced people).

Cryptol was written by Galois not the NSA. It was written for the NSA.

Re: “Warning: Do Not use my mirrors/services until I have reviewed the situation”

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Oh, the whole cyberwar situation is far from "hopeless". The truth is nobody to speak of has taken it seriously yet. Security is still mostly an afterthought, if that , almost everywhere you look. Even in nominally security-focused contexts. And much of the activity in places that really are security focused are built around an environment in which software must be assumed to basically be constructed out of styrofoam…

> Security is still mostly an afterthought, if that, almost everywhere you look... yes, this will require immense effort. What I keep thinking, though, is, what would be the total dollar cost to make security a forethought, with information technology being pretty ubiquitous? I think it might actually have serious economic impact -- is it possible we literally can't afford security, as a society?

A serious security push might raise computing costs to the point where some low-margin computing activities become unprofitable or folks like Amazon push less into expansion/R&D to keep budgets balanced, but I think it's likely that most computerized activity would continue. Folks are gonna still gonna wanna watch Netflix or blog about cats.

Re: “Warning: Do Not use my mirrors/services until I have reviewed the situation”

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> Security is still mostly an afterthought, if that, almost everywhere you look... yes, this will require immense effort. What I keep thinking, though, is, what would be the total dollar cost to make security a forethought, with information technology being pretty ubiquitous? I think it might actually have serious economic impact -- is it possible we literally can't afford security, as a society?

I think we could, because once we started down the path of taking security seriously, we would get better at it. What you see now is largely us not even trying. Well, just barely trying, maybe; not trying at all was the 70s. But there's still too many places where 'industry best practice' is insecure, and where even on places like HN you'll get serious fights over whether or not strong typing or even languages that p…

That's the thing. I know this is sacrilegious to say, but I wonder if the efficiency bonus from computerization really is so great, or would be, if it wasn't built on a pile of crap.

Re: “Warning: Do Not use my mirrors/services until I have reviewed the situation”

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If the USB device from the article is doing anything along the lines of BadUSB or EFI compromise, then re-imaging your server won't accomplish much. https://trmm.net/EFI

it is pretty likely the USB device is this http://www.cru-inc.com/products/wiebetech/mouse_jiggler/ to prevent the computer going to sleep while this is utilized http://www.cru-inc.com/products/wiebetech/hotplug_field_kit/ These are pretty standard plays in seizing computers these days. One should note that the grsec linux patchset has functionality to not load drivers for any plugged usb devices, as well as log when…

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Re: “Warning: Do Not use my mirrors/services until I have reviewed the situation”

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Your comment is indicative of the crisis of legitimacy that has infected our governments, and most of the institutions of stability in our global society. It seems like a small thing; but once the perception that the forces of law and order are themselves lawless exceeds a certain critical threshold things begin to change rapidly. Indeed the United States itself came to be in the wake of the erosion of the legitimacy…

I'd love to see some historical basis for this supposition that there is a natural counter balance to "lawless" power. First of all, your premise presupposes that there is some standard of "lawfulness" against which the existing power structure can be judged. If the powers that be are faithful to their own interests and rules then by definition they are lawful, since they create and administer the law. Your appeal to…

olefoo mised two issues two issues - lawlessness and illegitimacy. Legitimacy in political science just refers to the public acceptance of authority (and the perception that everyone else accepts it too). In the US, that legitimacy happens to be tied to the belief that the authorities are bound by rules. Loss of legitimacy is a very serious issue for any political/legal system, but of course sometimes it doesn't lead to the collapse of the system, but rather a search for a new means to legitimate the old system - for example, the PRC's adoption of economic success as the basis of legitimacy rather than Communist ideology.

Re: “Warning: Do Not use my mirrors/services until I have reviewed the situation”

#96

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If the USB device from the article is doing anything along the lines of BadUSB or EFI compromise, then re-imaging your server won't accomplish much. https://trmm.net/EFI

it is pretty likely the USB device is this http://www.cru-inc.com/products/wiebetech/mouse_jiggler/ to prevent the computer going to sleep while this is utilized http://www.cru-inc.com/products/wiebetech/hotplug_field_kit/ These are pretty standard plays in seizing computers these days. One should note that the grsec linux patchset has functionality to not load drivers for any plugged usb devices, as well as log when…

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Re: “Warning: Do Not use my mirrors/services until I have reviewed the situation”

#97

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If the USB device from the article is doing anything along the lines of BadUSB or EFI compromise, then re-imaging your server won't accomplish much. https://trmm.net/EFI

it is pretty likely the USB device is this http://www.cru-inc.com/products/wiebetech/mouse_jiggler/ to prevent the computer going to sleep while this is utilized http://www.cru-inc.com/products/wiebetech/hotplug_field_kit/ These are pretty standard plays in seizing computers these days. One should note that the grsec linux patchset has functionality to not load drivers for any plugged usb devices, as well as log when…

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Re: “Warning: Do Not use my mirrors/services until I have reviewed the situation”

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post #40

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Your comment is indicative of the crisis of legitimacy that has infected our governments, and most of the institutions of stability in our global society. It seems like a small thing; but once the perception that the forces of law and order are themselves lawless exceeds a certain critical threshold things begin to change rapidly. Indeed the United States itself came to be in the wake of the erosion of the legitimacy…

I'd love to see some historical basis for this supposition that there is a natural counter balance to "lawless" power. First of all, your premise presupposes that there is some standard of "lawfulness" against which the existing power structure can be judged. If the powers that be are faithful to their own interests and rules then by definition they are lawful, since they create and administer the law. Your appeal to…

Any institution can fail at any time, given the right trigger. The difference between a stable institution and an unstable one is the range of triggers that will destabilize it. When the legitimacy of an institution is threatened, this can only broaden that range.

So you're right to point out that there is no "threshold" as stated by the OP, however the frenzy with which the US government is undermining its own legitimacy as well as that of many other Western governments, does not bode well for our civilization (Western or otherwise).

Re: “Warning: Do Not use my mirrors/services until I have reviewed the situation”

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is indicative of the crisis of legitimacy that has infected our governments, and most of the institutions of stability in our global society. It seems like a small thing; but once the perception that the forces of law and order are themselves lawless exceeds a certain critical threshold things begin to change rapidly. Indeed the United States itself came to be in the wake of the erosion of the legitimacy…

I'd love to see some historical basis for this supposition that there is a natural counter balance to "lawless" power. First of all, your premise presupposes that there is some standard of "lawfulness" against which the existing power structure can be judged. If the powers that be are faithful to their own interests and rules then by definition they are lawful, since they create and administer the law. Your appeal to…

I fear that we are talking past each other and have different readings of the same words; and vastly different conceptual backgrounds.

Map political science onto the sandpile model [1] to get a first order approximation of the framework of analysis I'm using from a macro perspective. On the micro level of individual perception; what matters isn't merely the perceived lawlessness of the elites and of the guardian castes, but the growing sense that "If you play by the rules; you're a sucker." And depending on your level of investment in the current order that sense can be a powerful motivator to working around limits that were introduced to promote institutional stability.

And if most peoples reality is that the ruleset they're working off of is largely economically workable only because it's technically illegal... that's inherently unstable.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abelian_sandpile_model

Re: “Warning: Do Not use my mirrors/services until I have reviewed the situation”

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post #87

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I think we could, because once we started down the path of taking security seriously, we would get better at it. What you see now is largely us not even trying. Well, just barely trying, maybe; not trying at all was the 70s. But there's still too many places where 'industry best practice' is insecure, and where even on places like HN you'll get serious fights over whether or not strong typing or even languages that p…

That's the thing. I know this is sacrilegious to say, but I wonder if the efficiency bonus from computerization really is so great, or would be, if it wasn't built on a pile of crap.

It's not ridiculous to say at all. But I think that even slow computerization is orders of magnitude better than without. And by slow, I mean like kiloflops. In all seriousness, people used to use punchcard machines and were damn glad for it, as the computers before that were even slower and more expensive. And a few generations of machines before that computers were people who computed.

We'd definitely still be using mechanical computers. But I could easily see lots of eye candy being stripped out to conserve cycles (after all, having a 3D desktop on a Pi isn't all that useful :)

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