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Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by dandelion_lover »

runn1ng wrote: post #59
murbard2 wrote: post #53

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Sure, then just have trusted third parties (such as TPB) sign the torrents. It would be pretty hard to shutdown someone signing hashes from an unknown location.

In a fully decentralized environment, you would need to somehow know who to trust and make some karma/feedback in a decentralized way. Given that PGP's web of trust never really caught on, I am not sure if this would work. But maybe it would and I am just too pesimistic.

Why not just use I2P? Though it is not so fast, but for many things acceptable.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by jbaptiste »

bjornsteffanson wrote: post #77
gcb0 wrote: post #62

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now explain how that is different from anywhere in the world...

It's not different, and I believe that was the point. There is a weird stereotype that I've encountered about Sweden that I wasn't aware of until the first time I lived outside of our country...whenever something like this comes along, there's a notion that some people think "Oh it's Sweden, they'll do the right thing," as if our laws or courts are somehow "more right" or "more just" than others. I think what the pre…

That's very true. In Europe, Sweden is in our minds like one of the two or three countries where everything seems to be "good". Economics are good, people are nice, unemployment seems low and somehow those countries act as "The goods and respectables guys from the north". That's a very common feeling in EU.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by api »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #89
api wrote: post #76

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Exactly. They may or may not have actually broken the law, but they are certainly in spirit a service that makes money through the unauthorized monetization of other peoples' works against the wishes of those works' creators. Even if it doesn't make them criminals, it certainly makes them assholes. It's already hard enough to make a living as an artist, musician, etc. without being kneecapped by opportunists. We've g…

Exactly. People are just good at rationalizing their behaviour. I don't judge anybody who uses such sites, but what really pisses me off are the guys who like to shout some self-aggrandizing bullshit about fighting for freedom etc. Theres a basic lack of empathy.

Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. I can't see any way to stop this stuff short of stopping everything else, but it irks me that we make heroes out of jerks who are basically just operating plagiarist click-mills. KimDotCom falls into the same category. These people are on a lower tier than scummy domain squatters and spammers.

Want to lionize someone as a freedom fighter? Try someone like Linus Torvalds, or Daniel J. Bernstein, ... someone who ... I dunno ... did actual work of their own to advance the cause of freedom?

My other point is this:

People seem to have this idea that piracy is a rebellious act, that you're hitting back at "the man." I just don't see it. To me it looks more like union busting against the artists... destroying their revenue model so as to beggar them and make them willing to take anything for their work. This in turn benefits the upcoming generation of data-aggregation capitalists who want to monetize everyone's work and use it to sell ads and push surveillanceware. You're scoring one for the man, not against him.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by doki_pen »

api wrote: post #90
gargantian wrote: post #83

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Times change, and technology changes value. Scored music "screwed" street performers, then recordings "screwed" concert performers, then the internet "screwed" recording artists. Plenty of artists have successfully adapted and are doing great. Others have sheltered behind curators and promoters like labels. Others have failed to deliver what people want and they are screwed. That's capitalism at work. I don't underst…

"I don't understand why we should hold back progress"... I don't think we should hold back progress. I'm not arguing for legislated compulsory DRM or shutting down the Internet. I'm just saying I don't have a lot of love or sympathy for people who build businesses on the appropriation of peoples' hard work against their will. I feel the same way about jerks who take OSS software closed without authorization or credit…

Who was making a living recording and selling albums before the internet? As far as I know, touring was always much more lucrative than recording. Labels always made much more money than artists and the artists were ok with that because the only way to get famous(and make money touring) was for a label to like you and promote you. Things have changed. It's harder than ever to make a living playing music because less people want to see live shows, but that isn't thepiratebay's fault. At the same time, it is easier then ever to get your music out there. If pirating was completely stopped it wouldn't change anything for "artists". We'd just revert to labels choosing winners, but it would still be harder to make a living now then it was 30 years ago.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by mpeg »

aaren wrote: post #57
mpeg wrote: post #49

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Or just host the site in the Tor network.

A hidden service is still centralised though, right? Given the current chasing of The Pirate Bay, I'd expect this hidden service to get the same scrutiny as The Silk Road. My take on The Silk Road was that whilst it was quite possibly bad operational practice that took it down, it could have yielded to traffic analysis. I'd expect the same fate of Tor Pirate Bay.

But opsec can be improved upon, with enough care in how you host your torsite, what software it's on and who manages it, it should be possible to run it pretty safely, save for an attack against Tor.

I imagine the third generation black markets on Tor will last longer than the second one did

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by agumonkey »

wvenable wrote: post #34
mrkickling wrote: post #32

The organisation that reported Thepiratebay and therefore is the reason for this raid is called Rättighetsalliansen (The Alliance of Rights). The Alliance of Rights is the same organisation as The Anti Pirate Bureau but with a new name. This is what they say on their website (roughly translated): "The police raided The Pirate Bay today inside an Internet company in the Stockholm region. Rättighetsalliansen is behind…

The piratebay hosts no content and even the torrent files themselves are all served from other users. That's the technical side whether that has any legal bearing is a different question.

So being an illegal content link index (categorized magnet URI lists) is not illegal ? honest question. Isn't that why Google was forced to unlist torrents from results, otherwise they'd be in the same position as TPB.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by jeremiep »

Moru wrote: post #68
draugadrotten wrote: post #47

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It's a common mistake by techies to think that technical details make a difference in (Swedish) court. They don't. Technical details are rarely important in Swedish court, where the court is free to consider all evidence, even if it's obtained illegally or just is weird. So called "technical evidence" is rarely "technical" for techies. It's often just HTTP logfile print-outs or a screen shot of a file sharing program…

Seriously, why is people pirating that crap? Throw out the TV and stop going into that what is just a bad copy of every other movie out there already. The same goes with games. They just get more and more shallow as the grafics get pumped up. Every shared movie/game is another proof for the producers that they are creating something that people wants. If people finally would vote with their wallet instead of going fo…

The very same argument could be made about your comment.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by dil8 »

api wrote: post #93
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. People are just good at rationalizing their behaviour. I don't judge anybody who uses such sites, but what really pisses me off are the guys who like to shout some self-aggrandizing bullshit about fighting for freedom etc. Theres a basic lack of empathy.

Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. I can't see any way to stop this stuff short of stopping everything else, but it irks me that we make heroes out of jerks who are basically just operating plagiarist click-mills. KimDotCom falls into the same category. These people are on a lower tier than scummy domain squatters and spammers. Want to lionize someone as a freedom fighter? Try someone like Linus Torvalds, or Daniel J.…

I disagree...

Sharing has been part humanity since the dawn of the human race. It is just easier to share things with more people now.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by vacri »

mrkickling wrote: post #32

The organisation that reported Thepiratebay and therefore is the reason for this raid is called Rättighetsalliansen (The Alliance of Rights). The Alliance of Rights is the same organisation as The Anti Pirate Bureau but with a new name. This is what they say on their website (roughly translated): "The police raided The Pirate Bay today inside an Internet company in the Stockholm region. Rättighetsalliansen is behind…

Thepiratebay is not putting up any files on thepiratebay.org, the users are

Knowingly and willingly facilitating crime is usually a crime in itself. As a clear example, if you pay a hitman to kill someone, you didn't do the killing, but you facilitated the crime.

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