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Does anyone have any insight as to how painful it is to relocate to Paris from outside of France, or even from outside of the Schengen zone?

I'm sad to say, quite painful. A sibling mentioned the housing problem. There's also the immigration problem.

If you're in France on a visa, you'll have to renew it every year. To do that, take a day off to go through a humiliating process that will have you wait in front of a government building from 12PM for 10 to 15 hours until it opens and then until it's your turn.

Of course, if you dare forget something, you'll just have to lose another 10 hours of your life another day, waiting in front of that same building. People sometimes take pounds and pounds of paper when they do that to be sure they'll have what they're asked for.

One of my friends is in this situation and she dreads it for weeks when the time comes to renew her visa...

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As a previous foreign entrepreneur who lived in Paris for 8 years here's my experience and my advice: In paris entrepreneurship is a VIP club for rich people who will rarely take real risk. Seed investment is next to impossible. The tax reduction schemes requires months of procedures and administrative paperwork. Real estate is almost as expensive as London. And the worst, if you're a foreigner you'll have a real har…

English is not a native language there, it should be obvious that most people can't/won't speak English and English can be used only when you can't speak the local language. It's not unique to France but also the case of Spain, Italy and most non-English speaking countries to be fair, the world is not only made of English speaking countries.

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> that's a great deal of french bashing Can we stop with this? I'm tired of French people always responding to any kind of critics with the "French bashing" strawman. I'm French myself by the way. > and government grants are here too to help Most entrepreneurs don't want the government to help , they want the government to stay out of the way. A concept many of my fellow French have a hard time understanding the bene…

I can assure you that you will want the government to help, especially when you don't have any money to start your business. You should ask a few entrepreneurs about this.

I am an entrepreneur and I don't want the government's help. The government is the new Church here and I want out.

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No its not. Paris is the most touristic city in the world. You can be perfectly fine if you don't speak word of french.

Although Paris is the most visited city in the world. It also has a reputation amongst the global cities as being unfriendly. Enough that the Paris Tourist Board and Chamber of Commerce have launched a campaign to educate service workers on treating tourists better. Tourists also do not spend as much money in Paris. It is number 3 in that regard. This is likely due to Paris' centralized position. It may more likely b…

I know the reputation, but the times I've visited Paris everyone has been extremely helpful and polite. What I do see, occasionally, is American and German tourists who ignore local customs, behave rudely, and then get offended when the Parisians respond rudely to their own boorishness.

The only really bad experience I've ever had in Paris was with an eastern european cab driver who droned truly horrendous racist screeds about black African prostitutes ruining Paris my entire ride.

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Do most Parisians speak English? Or will I be considered an outsider and Immediately ignored if I speak only English? The best thing about the Anglophone world is the language. I wouldn't mind learning a new language, but it takes time.

Younger generation does, although not as good as the Dutch or Germens who are pretty much fluent speakers. It is true that they dislike speaking English though as they feel French is the superior language.

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post #39

As a previous foreign entrepreneur who lived in Paris for 8 years here's my experience and my advice: In paris entrepreneurship is a VIP club for rich people who will rarely take real risk. Seed investment is next to impossible. The tax reduction schemes requires months of procedures and administrative paperwork. Real estate is almost as expensive as London. And the worst, if you're a foreigner you'll have a real har…

I don't know if it's pride or lack of mastery of the English language. Even though it's the most taught one after French, it's still not well imprinted in people's mind.

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I'm currently living in Paris right now. Before that I lived in London, Germany and the US. So this is kind of a view from the outside.

As every city there are good and bad things. Administration is horrible and the worst experience from anywhere that I have lived. Getting an apartment will be hell. It just will. Paper is still the norm in this country. Your mailbox will never be empty. This part sucks.

The work atmosphere in this country is horrible in comparison to other countries like the UK and US. Remember, this is the country that (legally) has a 35 hour work week. In startups this looks different although they have the reputation of being lazy in comparison to American startups. While I haven't seen it, this is likely the case for some. There's no smoke without fire. And just judging by the way this country works...don't be surprised if they seem lazy.

English. Right, this is probably one of the biggest problems non-French will have. Across the board French people's English have the worst English ever, out of every country in Central Europe. That said Paris is in some way an exception. Parisians' English is still horrible for the kind of city it is trying to become but not as bad as you'll hear it in other cities.

Food - Don't understand why people are saying it's bad. It's really good! Especially compared to a city like London, where it's expensive and quality isn't amazing. There is less of a junk food culture in Paris than in other cities though.

There’s more good and bad things to go into but I’ll leave the bad stuff at this for now.

There are good things going on in Paris. The city is amazing to live in. It’s much cheaper than London. Transport costs are a lot less. Leisure activities are cheaper. A lot of stuff will be cheaper, including apartments. The city is beautful to live in too.

There is a good startup ecosystem in Paris. There are a couple good exits coming out of France. But it all seems like a big circle jerk, which (IMO) a guide like this shows. This may also come from the extreme forms of patriotism the French show(sometimes) and/or from the fact that they don’t speak English and are repulsed by anything English.

A lot of startups start here but quickly try to get the hell out and move to the US or even London. There have been a couple good exits though but not as many as London nor any as big as the ones in Berlin.

I don’t know what the fundraising process goes like in Paris so I’m not going to comment on that. Obviously it will be harder than in the US as there are less VCs here. Judging by the amounts being raised and the amount of “big” VCs in London it’s also weaker than across the channel.

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#98
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10€ meal in Paris! First Price in Brasseries start at 12 / 13€ for a decent main course.

You can have a nice pizza for 8-9€ these days in Paris, a really good crepe for 5-7€, tasty bo buns (vietnamese noodle dish) are usually less than 10€ in the asian neigbourhoods, etc.

No, believe me. If you think that the pizza you get for 8-9€ is decent, take the time, once in your lifetime, to visit Naples. There are a couple of good pizza places in Paris, but prices hover around 15€ per pizza.

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That's the Good. There's also the Bad, and the Ugly. I've left France (I'm french), and now live in Malta, because of the Bad and the Ugly. France has high taxes (and 50% social contributions), very anti-entrepreneur and ultra-bureaucratic mindset, a sinking economy, a vastly anti-libertarian political landscape, and a high cost of living vs. quality of living. If you're tempted anyway, Good Luck.

cost of living vs quality of living : Frankly, this is true almost only for Paris. I live in Nantes right now (after 7 years in the Netherlands) and the quality of living is great, at a fraction of the price in Paris. Second, not everybody is a libertarian, so I'm quite OK with what you call "anti-libertarian landscape". Bureaucratic mindset : Apart from Malta, have you ever lived anywhere else in Europe ? I don't kn…

I also lived in Switzerland (5 years), where bureaucracy is definitely less of a problem than in France: it just works (the first time, not after weeks and 2 attempts).

When I hear "France has great tax credits systems for startups", I think "if you spend months in paperwork, maybe". That's what I call a bureaucratic hell.

As for being a libertarian, I guess it's the case of a majority of entrepreneurs. If one enjoys government control, he's probably not an entrepreneur...

Who wants a 3500 page labour code like we have in France? Ever changing laws? New regulation and a new tax every month?

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can have a nice pizza for 8-9€ these days in Paris, a really good crepe for 5-7€, tasty bo buns (vietnamese noodle dish) are usually less than 10€ in the asian neigbourhoods, etc.

No, believe me. If you think that the pizza you get for 8-9€ is decent, take the time, once in your lifetime, to visit Naples. There are a couple of good pizza places in Paris, but prices hover around 15€ per pizza.

1. What makes you think I have never been to Naples? I've actually been there, and many places in Italy, over the years. There are amazing places, and crappy tourist places, just like everywhere in the world.

2. I said "decent", not "outstanding". You can get decent pizze in Paris for less than 10€ in any decent pizzeria (there are some bad ones, just don't come back to them).

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