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Occam's razor. People wanted to make it legal and voted that way. The mental contortions needed to support your theories are too great.
Wait, what? What theories? I just don't think that politicians care that much about legalizing marijuana. Why would they? And the other statement that I made is that legalizing marijuana isn't something successful politicians start out with alone. Usually that worsens there image. Theories? The other (unrelated) things I pointed out was that the US has a history of oppressing opposition, which is history. See the men…
It’s time to extend the US Privacy Act to EU citizens
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#92Google: You'd better listen to us than opposite. Other than in UK I'm more than happy with European privacy legislation compared to US. It's imageable that we could grant Snowden asylum, but you would put him in jail for 20 years at least. There are also - afaik and except UK - no laws which enforce corporations to spy on behalf of the government without being able to stand behind these actions. Right to forget. Woul…
We in Switzerland also have our own privacy laws and we don't care much for the US ones. There was a scandal recently with a political staff member being involved in pornos. US papers plastered her face all over while censoring any naughty parts. In the Swiss press her face was covered to protect her privacy while the rest was not covered. Also if you are accused of a crime and are a public figure you won't have your…
We really need to fix this.
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#93In general, whenever it comes to human rights - or civil rights as Americans like to call it - it's appalling that they distinguish between citizens and foreigners (or aliens as they label us). Imagine European countries denying human rights to non citizens: Okay to torture a Somali? No problem throwing Americans in prison without trial? Sure, let's wiretap cell phones of all Turks in Europe? I don't think so.
> Sure, let's wiretap cell phones of all Turks in Europe? I don't think so. Wait, Germany was actually shown to be engaging in surveillance of Turkish telecommunications... for 38 years . http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/23/us-germany-turkey-... And while you may argue that they're only targeting diplomats, policy makers, etc., NSA makes the same argument: they have to collect a lot to make it even possible to…
That was actually a case from Germany, not the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30011512
However, I agree with your broader point that there is hypocrisy from all sides in this debate.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wait, what? What theories? I just don't think that politicians care that much about legalizing marijuana. Why would they? And the other statement that I made is that legalizing marijuana isn't something successful politicians start out with alone. Usually that worsens there image. Theories? The other (unrelated) things I pointed out was that the US has a history of oppressing opposition, which is history. See the men…
>It feels a bit like government are more in favor of drugs than they want to pretend, not only for the good of drugs being legal, but because someone who is under influence of drugs - any kind of - is less likely to be politically active or reject orders. This has been used in military and in many authoritarian governments.
The second part of the statement was that it has been used in military and to calm populations. If you think that statement is bold already then you probably don't know about various projects like MK Ultra.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
Oh and the effect of drugs being illegal can again be read up in history. There has been prohibition.
If I sounded like marijuana was a conspiracy I am sorry. That's not what I meant. Like I said I just think that the image of a politician who publicly states that marijuana tends to drop. I think that is because a big portion of the population doesn't have a really strong opinion on that topic, but are careful about it. That's a theory now. ;)
There also was a something on political activism of population in relation to the state of legal (or cheap/available) drugs here on HN at some point.
Re: It’s time to extend the US Privacy Act to EU citizens
#95Speaking as an Australian: Hello! Yes please?
May be related to Australia being a part of the Five Eyes. Keep in mind though that the UK is a special case in the EU in many many ways. However there are many organizations, countries and interests involved here. There are the US, the rest of the world, the EU, the NATO, the Five Eyes, other trade agreements and even lots of special agreements (partly known for a long time, partly due to the Snowden revelations) wi…
Zbigniew Brzezinski, who advised many US presidents in the last couple of decades wrote many books. Among those books there is The Grand Chessboard. It explains a really large part of the US politics.
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#96While you are at it, why not include all humans? Why just EU?
Contracts with private organizations would also be affected. The whole economy would break down! [sarcasm]
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It's not a matter of distinguishing between citizens and foreigners on the mere basis of their being citizens and foreigners. It's a matter of distinguishing between people who have obligations under American law (people physically present on American soil or people with American citizenship) and those who do not. Rights are the reciprocal of responsibilities.[1] American law cannot impose responsibilities on a Frenc…
American law cannot impose responsibilities on a Frenchman living and acting in France. Correspondingly, American law does not extend rights to that person. This is a design decision that parents have taught their children to believe is normal and sensible. It's also effective. Nothing like an "us vs them" mentality to unify a nation. But what if some country tried to extend rights to foreigners anyway? There's nothi…
One way that this is done today is that, for example, persecuted minorities have an easier time being granted asylum in a some countries. One specific example would be that many European countries grant LGBT refugees asylum if they flee from an oppressive country where their lives are threatened.
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It was less than 100 years ago. Which in Europe, isn't that long ago.
Not that long ago? It's longer than I've been alive. Any my parents. And my grandparents. You'd have to get to my great-grandparents before they could say they've been alive for 100 years or are able to remember anything about World War II. In relationship to the age of the planet or the age of the species, no its not a long time. In relationship to the age of the people, it's been long enough.
"The difference between the British and Americans is the British think 200 miles is a long distance and Americans think 200 years is a long time."
I've gotten a kick out of that perspective, as it seems to support some of the odd disconnects people have with times and spaces.
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#99Any observation by Google of the EU Safe Harbor Act in this post? http://www.export.gov/safeharbor/eu/eg_main_018365.asp
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> Sure, let's wiretap cell phones of all Turks in Europe? I don't think so. Wait, Germany was actually shown to be engaging in surveillance of Turkish telecommunications... for 38 years . http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/23/us-germany-turkey-... And while you may argue that they're only targeting diplomats, policy makers, etc., NSA makes the same argument: they have to collect a lot to make it even possible to…
The article doesn't seem to mention the methods the BND uses to target Turkey. It could be that they target specific individuals of the Turkish government instead of storing and analyzing everything that goes in and out of Turkey. As for the question of Turkey being a valid target, let me remind you that several people in the Turkish government were planning a false flag operation in order to invade Syria. http://www…
Maybe. But how do they do that? Do they individually hack into routers only when and where needed to keep up with their targets? What do they do when the packets used by their targets hop to a different router? What do they do when their target uses a mobile over 4G instead of their PC and Ethernet? What do they do when the data packets emitted by the target's mobile are transferred as a batch with a bunch of people not relevant to the intelligence need?
Maybe they do filter first and only store information relevant to their specific targeted intelligence needs. If NSA limited themselves to that, would your concerns go away?
> As for the question of Turkey being a valid target, let me remind you that several people in the Turkish government were planning a false flag operation in order to invade Syria.
You're preaching to the choir here. But let me remind you, that on Sept. 11, 2001, several people in the al Qa'ida organization actually carried out a real operation that resulted in ~3,000 deaths directly (not all American either), the destruction of a significant amount of property, and the launch of the "global war on terror" and invasion of Afghanistan. Even more, it set the conditions politically in the U.S. for the later invasion of Iraq. Truly, the consequences were quite epochal.
Yet many opponents of NSA surveillance will tell you quite bluntly that even counter-terrorism is not an important enough concern to make surveillance on the Internet worth the cost to civil liberties. They'll even tell you that more people die of car accidents every year than died in 9/11. What would you say to them? Why is it OK to target Turkey to detect covert false flag attacks but not OK to target transnational terrorist organizations that are actually killing people every single day, and plotting further attacks?