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Re: How we built our app in 2 weeks using Ionic Framework

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Post by general_failure » Wed, Nov 12, 2014, 11:53 PM UTC

thomasfl wrote: post #46

TeeWEE wrote: post #41

Interesting, But i installed the app on my nexus 5 and used it... It feels like i'm opening the browser. The app doesn't feel native. Input elements are weird. The dialog is weird. The animation is sluggish. And the spinner animation is moving in a weird fashion. For a lot of apps thats allright. But if you want to create a killer app, please go native.

Yupp, it's sluggish but good enough for small time apps. Wait a few years for famo.us and others to work on the problem, and you will see hybrid killer apps.

Wait for a few years and problem might solve itself. Famo.us has nothing to di with it

Re: How we built our app in 2 weeks using Ionic Framework

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Post by general_failure » Wed, Nov 12, 2014, 11:58 PM UTC

marknutter wrote: post #38

matthewmacleod wrote: post #26

If there's any sort of app that works with this sort of thing, then yours is probably at the top of the list. The interface is super-simple, people are unlikely to use it often, and so on. In this case, the cost of developing independent apps for Android and iOS (as well as other platforms, potentially) would probably be too high. The experience wouldn't be suitable for anything used more intensely though, IMO. Scrol…

Hm, seems to work well enough for Netflix though, and that app certainly is used a lot.

Netflix app is native.

Re: How we built our app in 2 weeks using Ionic Framework

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Post by no_future » Thu, Nov 13, 2014, 1:06 AM UTC

matthewmacleod wrote: post #68

no_future wrote: post #63

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>it's like complaining that assembly is useless because nobody uses it directly Everybody always tries to make this comparison(WELL IF YOU WANT IT TO RUN SO GOOD JUST WRITE IT IN ASSEMBLY), and it really goes to show how little they know. Programmers don't write things in assembly because today's compilers can write much better assembly than pretty much anyone. No compiler can write C better than even a mediocre prog…

it really goes to show how little they know I don't know – as a developer with many years of experience, from assembly to web technologies, I think I'm pretty qualified to make this comparison :) No compiler can write C better than even a mediocre programmer That's not true at all – there are a whole bunch of examples which transpile other languages to C. The point is to work in a system that effectively communicate'…

Sure there are languages that transpile to C, but they don't run as well as hand written C. I wasn't saying that compilers couldn't write C, I was saying they couldn't do it better than a human.

Re: How we built our app in 2 weeks using Ionic Framework

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Post by no_future » Thu, Nov 13, 2014, 3:26 AM UTC

grey-area wrote: post #64

no_future wrote: post #62

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C-family languages are still the best languages for systems dev, they've aged well, and Java is good for it as well. Systems dev hasn't changed much since they were developed, mostly just more transistors and cores were shoved into processors and more RAM became available. And it still stands that pretty much you can do with a computer, you can do with C. This is NOT the case with JS/HTML. HTML was developed during t…

HTML AND JS WERE NOT DEVELOPED TO RUN NATIVELY ON DEVICES! WHY WOULD YOU WANT THEM TO RUN ON DEVICES? Please don't shout. HTML and JS were developed to run on any device, past, present and future. HTML is actually pretty good at presenting most UI state along with documents - the UI of the vast majority of native device apps is really not hard to present as html, the only roadblock is the vendors lack of focus on mob…

>The people native apps benefit the most is OS vendors, because of lock-in

C and Java can run on any platform(far more than HTML and JS which were developed to run in browsers), what lock in?

Re: How we built our app in 2 weeks using Ionic Framework

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Post by marknutter » Thu, Nov 13, 2014, 4:29 AM UTC

general_failure wrote: post #92

marknutter wrote: post #38

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Hm, seems to work well enough for Netflix though, and that app certainly is used a lot.

Netflix app is native.

Most of Netflix apps, including the iOS version, are not native. The Android Netflix app, however, is the exception, as that is native (perhaps that's the one you've been using?).

Re: How we built our app in 2 weeks using Ionic Framework

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Post by grey-area » Thu, Nov 13, 2014, 6:41 AM UTC

no_future wrote: post #94

grey-area wrote: post #64

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HTML AND JS WERE NOT DEVELOPED TO RUN NATIVELY ON DEVICES! WHY WOULD YOU WANT THEM TO RUN ON DEVICES? Please don't shout. HTML and JS were developed to run on any device, past, present and future. HTML is actually pretty good at presenting most UI state along with documents - the UI of the vast majority of native device apps is really not hard to present as html, the only roadblock is the vendors lack of focus on mob…

>The people native apps benefit the most is OS vendors, because of lock-in C and Java can run on any platform(far more than HTML and JS which were developed to run in browsers), what lock in?

The APIs provide the lock-in. With the exception of posix, they're platform dependent.

Re: How we built our app in 2 weeks using Ionic Framework

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Post by aagha » Thu, Nov 13, 2014, 8:59 AM UTC

Curious: Did you look at other solutions like Xamarin?

Re: How we built our app in 2 weeks using Ionic Framework

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Post by general_failure » Thu, Nov 13, 2014, 5:45 PM UTC

marknutter wrote: post #95

general_failure wrote: post #92

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Netflix app is native.

Most of Netflix apps, including the iOS version, are not native. The Android Netflix app, however, is the exception, as that is native (perhaps that's the one you've been using?).

Yes, Android is native.

Netflix on all other platforms - roku, chrome cast is all native as well.

Not sure about ios.

Re: How we built our app in 2 weeks using Ionic Framework

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Post by findjashua » Thu, Nov 13, 2014, 7:04 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #75

findjashua wrote: post #54

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This comment would be spot on 2 years ago, but once you try libraries like Ractive or React, it's iOS/Android that begin to feel ancient. How do they not have data binding in 2014? Also, having to maintain a separate codebase for each platform just seems inefficient. The solution doesn't have to be Javascript (could be C#), though Ractive and React make it surprisingly pleasant to write JS.

Only if you never tried XAML Data Bindings.

I'm assuming you're talking about Xamarin? If so, $1000/yr is pretty expensive for small teams.

Re: How we built our app in 2 weeks using Ionic Framework

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Post by marknutter » Fri, Nov 14, 2014, 4:37 PM UTC

general_failure wrote: post #98

marknutter wrote: post #95

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Most of Netflix apps, including the iOS version, are not native. The Android Netflix app, however, is the exception, as that is native (perhaps that's the one you've been using?).

Yes, Android is native. Netflix on all other platforms - roku, chrome cast is all native as well. Not sure about ios.

Are you a Netflix employee, by chance? A buddy of mine works there and told me that the only non-native app is Android, but he might be mistaken since he's only been there for a few months.