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Re: Firefox OS Shows Continued Global Growth

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So true, even marketplace apps are just shims around web pages. I have been using Firefox OS for about 2 months and this is one of my biggest complaints. Apps are just websites, no more, no less.

Search for ":packaged" in the marketplace to find apps that are not shims around web pages. But in general, there's nothing wrong with good web pages if they provide offline support... What is still frustrating is that discovering those good ones is a pain.

I disagree for a couple of things, unfortunately.

For 'apps' I might (mostly) agree, but some apps provide services. And that experience is quite bad so far. Think IM (and even the email client is not there yet => IDLE/Notifications/Server Side Search)

Re: Firefox OS Shows Continued Global Growth

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Calling Firefox OS "the only truly open mobile operating system" is misleading. AFAIK, it still includes proprietary bootloader and device drivers. So, if I am buying Open C http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unlocked-ZTE-OPEN-C-Firefox-OS-Andro... with Android I still have to modify bootloader to install Firefox OS and I cannot compile and install a new version of Firefox OS myself, if ZTE won't release updates (judging by the…

I have an Open C and I recently manually updated the phone from 1.3 to 2.1. You can most definitely compile and install a new version of Firefox OS yourself regardless of what ZTE chooses to do. The only catch is that you need root access, and this is not enabled on the Open C by default, but ZTE provides a tool for rooting your phone with a single button press.

My understanding is that all aspects of the OS under the control of Mozilla are completely open, but manufacturers like ZTE include proprietary components and of course their hardware isn't 100% open, but Mozilla isn't responsible for that. Mozilla certainly needs to find other partners however, because my experiences with ZTE have been pretty poor thus far, and I've read a lot of negative things about Alcatel's Firefox OS devices as well.

As an aside, Mozilla needs to start targeting higher end devices since I believe that hardware experience will largely factor into the success of the OS, and the current official Firefox OS devices are pretty awful. I've also been following bugs concerning core features for YEARS now, and Mozilla has yet to address any of these. 2.1 has some improvements over 1.3 for sure, but it's missing very basic functionality like some group messaging features and a calendar application that's actually useful. A lot of the noticeable changes from 1.3 to 2.1 are purely cosmetic, and it's incredibly frustrating to see essential features get completely overlooked time and time again. The marketplace is also starting to seem completely devoid of useful applications - a lot of them are very low quality, some of them are simply shortcuts to the mobile versions of websites, and games seem to make up the majority of the applications.

Re: Firefox OS Shows Continued Global Growth

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What the fuck? the price of the article is '$25', and all the links they give show a 80€ => $100 tag price... http://www.materiel.net/smartphone/?f[11037]=Firefox+OS http://www.cdiscount.com/telephonie/telephone-mobile/zte-ope... http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Telephonie/Smartphone/Smartphone... http://www.webdistrib.com/cat/Smartphone-ZTE-Open-C-Night-Bl... http://www.ldlc.com/telephonie-gps/telephonie-portable/mobil..…

Is is the same as the ZTE Open C Firefox Phone? because I tried it and it's pitiful. IIRC it's £60 in the UK. Don't bother with that phone, it's useless.

Seriously? It's my main phone. It has drawbacks, clearly, but it's quite sufficient for my needs.

Re: Firefox OS Shows Continued Global Growth

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I am SO excited about the possibilities Firefox OS provides. I do realize it's in early stages now, and there are many hurdles for the Mozilla team to overcome for it to become a real player in the market, but I'm crossing my fingers. Specifically, I can't wait to see what local developers in developing countries create to improve the lives of people within their communities and societies. With the barrier to entry l…

i do think they're making a mistake by not providing FxOS (nightlies) for higher-end devices. they would have so much more dev talent to fill their store and help find bugs and provide feedback. i've been wanting to try it and make apps for it but there's nothing available that i can install without having to build it myself. (HTC Jewel / EVO 4G LTE)

Mozilla can't provide base images without licensing proprietary software (for the RIL primarily, although there may be others depending on the hardware).

Also the focus for Mozilla right now is on providing new low-end hardware and optimizing for that. It's possible to build and flash onto your own hardware, people on the XDA forums have done it.

Testing web apps in the simulator (or just with the responsive design tool) is totally doable right now, but it's hard to get an idea of performance without actually testing on a target device.

Re: Firefox OS Shows Continued Global Growth

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Firefox OS can run in 128MB or RAM. It runs better in 256MB RAM. Android requires 512MB RAM.

We can argue about "require", but Android phones exist at the same price point that also operate with only 128 MB of RAM, e.g.: http://www.amazon.in/Jivi-JSP-20-Black/dp/B00NOV3NQU (Android phones with 256 MB of RAM are quite common.)

I admit I haven't searched very hard, but I am yet to see a 128 Mb Android phone that I would consider usable.

Re: Firefox OS Shows Continued Global Growth

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post #94

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i do think they're making a mistake by not providing FxOS (nightlies) for higher-end devices. they would have so much more dev talent to fill their store and help find bugs and provide feedback. i've been wanting to try it and make apps for it but there's nothing available that i can install without having to build it myself. (HTC Jewel / EVO 4G LTE)

Mozilla can't provide base images without licensing proprietary software (for the RIL primarily, although there may be others depending on the hardware). Also the focus for Mozilla right now is on providing new low-end hardware and optimizing for that. It's possible to build and flash onto your own hardware, people on the XDA forums have done it. Testing web apps in the simulator (or just with the responsive design t…

> Mozilla can't provide base images without licensing proprietary software (for the RIL primarily, although there may be others depending on the hardware).

how do the AOSP/CM11 devs do it?

Re: Firefox OS Shows Continued Global Growth

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Nope. It's actually $33, also in developing countries nobody pays more than $0.01 for a phone on contract.

I'm from a developed country and I don't know anyone who pays for a phone on top of the contract price. It baffles me how in US people get a $50/month contract + they have to pay $200 for the phone. Crazy.

They have to pay the smallest possible amount, in my country $0.01 (not in US dollars, of course)

Re: Firefox OS Shows Continued Global Growth

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I am SO excited about the possibilities Firefox OS provides. I do realize it's in early stages now, and there are many hurdles for the Mozilla team to overcome for it to become a real player in the market, but I'm crossing my fingers. Specifically, I can't wait to see what local developers in developing countries create to improve the lives of people within their communities and societies. With the barrier to entry l…

>I can't wait to see what local developers in developing countries create to improve the lives of people within their communities and societies. I can't resist the urge to plug my project here. It failed as a Show HN, but now it's very relevant: https://github.com/geomaster/beoprevoz . In short, it's a neat public transport FxOS app, specific to Belgrade, Serbia (but in theory and by design pluggable and easy to gene…

Hey geomaster! Long time no see... You probably know who I am... That's a great app, mine (Wi-Fi password search) failed since Mozilla didn't want to approve it due to it sending location data to the server, so in the end it never even had the chance to enter the Telenor competition. Congrats on the app and the prizes.
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