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iOS 8 Adoption Stalls at 47% of Users After Three Weeks

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Re: iOS 8 Adoption Stalls at 47% of Users After Three Weeks

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Post by acdha »

wlesieutre wrote: post #89
acdha wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the performance claims are exaggerated – unless you're obsessively stop-watching or switching apps all the time, the difference in Safari startup isn't significant and the newer WebKit means that Safari is actually faster once you actually use it, noticeably so on JavaScript-heavy sites. A fraction of a second startup time is lost in network overhead or render on the first page you visit. In general, it feels…

I'm past the edit window on my previous reply, but I should also point out that the 4S has 512 MB of RAM, while the 5 and up have twice that. So given some consistent amount for OS overhead on every model, the 4S has well under half of the RAM available for running applications. Background apps are killed much more frequently as a result. Launch time might not matter for newer phones, but it's a huge deal for us. I a…

I'll note that when I say it's not a big deal, I've been running iOS 8 on a 4S since it was released. With background app refresh disabled, it feels about like iOS 7.1.2 – periodic annoyance rather than frequent occurrence.

Re: iOS 8 Adoption Stalls at 47% of Users After Three Weeks

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Post by untog »

rqebmm wrote: post #90
untog wrote: post #55

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There's a sliding scale here. I don't think anyone is expecting app developers to support every OS version that ever existed. But iOS8 doesn't work on the iPhone 4, and according to comments on here works pretty terribly on the 4S, and even on the 5. Supporting the current version and the most recent version doesn't feel like the biggest imposition. As a web developer we've adopted it - we just phased out iOS6 suppor…

The difference is that as a web developer you don't have to drop roughly ~$2k on devices to test the older versions of browsers, you just fire up a VM. Apple developers can't roll back the OS version, and need to have at least one 4/4s, one 5/5s, and one iPad for each OS they would like to support. Let alone the new screen fragmentation. The inability to roll back iOS is inconvenient for customers, but it's a HUGE mi…

The difference is that as a web developer you don't have to drop roughly ~$2k on devices to test the older versions of browsers, you just fire up a VM.

Why? You can fire up an iOS Simulator just as easily for web developer as you can native development. The same issues affect both. In neither case would I suggest relying on simulated versions of devices - I've been caught out by too many touch event oddities in the past.

Re: iOS 8 Adoption Stalls at 47% of Users After Three Weeks

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Post by pfranz »

wlesieutre wrote: post #81
acdha wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the performance claims are exaggerated – unless you're obsessively stop-watching or switching apps all the time, the difference in Safari startup isn't significant and the newer WebKit means that Safari is actually faster once you actually use it, noticeably so on JavaScript-heavy sites. A fraction of a second startup time is lost in network overhead or render on the first page you visit. In general, it feels…

Oh my. I don't even want to imagine what Google Voice looks like with the full keyboard. On iOS 7 it's already down to two lines of text messages, because it's more important that they tell me the name of who I'm talking to three goddamn times . If Google's trying to help Apple sell more new phones, they're doing a pretty good job of it. http://i.imgur.com/QHL8FeN.png Does anybody have GV on iOS 8 with a 4S for compa…

It looks like what you were expecting http://imgur.com/Bsq4gYT

Re: iOS 8 Adoption Stalls at 47% of Users After Three Weeks

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Post by Reich »

acomjean wrote: post #10
minikites wrote: post #2

I bet a big part of it is that you need ~5GB of free space which is really difficult on 8 or 16GB devices. iOS 7 only needed 1 or 2, if my memory is accurate.

Thats what holding me back from upgrading and I have 32gb 4s. Plus it just doesn't seem that compelling and upgrade. Makes one wonder the 16-64-128 gb storage strategy.

As others have mentioned, upgrading through iTunes is a workaround. I'd like to propose another solution that's worked for me.

Back your phone up to iCloud (this is probably the biggest bottleneck if your data doesn't fit into the free storage). If you have a recent backup, you can wipe your phone (Settings -> General -> Reset -> Erase all content and settings). That should clear up plenty of space on your device. Then upgrade and restore your backup once it's completed. This is how I upgraded to iOS 7 and 8 without having iTunes installed. But definitely be _sure_ you have a backup.

Re: iOS 8 Adoption Stalls at 47% of Users After Three Weeks

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Post by wlesieutre »

pfranz wrote: post #96
wlesieutre wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh my. I don't even want to imagine what Google Voice looks like with the full keyboard. On iOS 7 it's already down to two lines of text messages, because it's more important that they tell me the name of who I'm talking to three goddamn times . If Google's trying to help Apple sell more new phones, they're doing a pretty good job of it. http://i.imgur.com/QHL8FeN.png Does anybody have GV on iOS 8 with a 4S for compa…

It looks like what you were expecting http://imgur.com/Bsq4gYT

Ouch, yeah. Thanks for posting it.

Re: iOS 8 Adoption Stalls at 47% of Users After Three Weeks

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Post by wlesieutre »

acdha wrote: post #91
wlesieutre wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm past the edit window on my previous reply, but I should also point out that the 4S has 512 MB of RAM, while the 5 and up have twice that. So given some consistent amount for OS overhead on every model, the 4S has well under half of the RAM available for running applications. Background apps are killed much more frequently as a result. Launch time might not matter for newer phones, but it's a huge deal for us. I a…

I'll note that when I say it's not a big deal, I've been running iOS 8 on a 4S since it was released. With background app refresh disabled, it feels about like iOS 7.1.2 – periodic annoyance rather than frequent occurrence.

Hm, maybe it was bugginess on Google's end causing that particular headache for me then

Re: iOS 8 Adoption Stalls at 47% of Users After Three Weeks

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Post by acdha »

wlesieutre wrote: post #99
acdha wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll note that when I say it's not a big deal, I've been running iOS 8 on a 4S since it was released. With background app refresh disabled, it feels about like iOS 7.1.2 – periodic annoyance rather than frequent occurrence.

Hm, maybe it was bugginess on Google's end causing that particular headache for me then

It's entirely possible for it to be both – I think iOS 7 pushed the base memory usage up to the point where any minor increase in an app starts requiring other things to be pushed out of memory
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