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Re: "Open Source is awful in many ways, and people should be aware of this"

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I find it (mo/i)ronic that you reference people with full name "XYZ attacked me", only for verification of course, but you forgot to include your own name.

He named the GitHub repo which has his name in big bold letters: https://github.com/nanoscopic

Still not cool. Proper way is to reference commits and bugs. Just imagine someone Google your name and first link is to this comment: XY attacked me....

Re: "Open Source is awful in many ways, and people should be aware of this"

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I'm confused, did he force you or anyone else to utilise his "crap?" If it is "crap" why are you using it? And what's more why are you UPSET that you're voluntarily using his contributions? What you just said literally makes zero sense to me... Also he hasn't (according to him nor Wikipedia) contributed to the Linux kernel, yet you moved kernels to avoid his "crap." Makes zero sense. The Linux kernel isn't one of his…

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So isn't your beef really with the distro's which aren't fulfilling your needs?

Maybe you should start your own branch with Systemd specifically excluded. That is how many currently popular distro's because popular (mostly relating to different windowing systems, etc but still). You could also move to Gentoo Linux which doesn't (and has no plans) to utilise Systemd as the default.

Last point; systemd is so "crap" that every single distro' is moving to it? Either they have VERY low standards or there is more to this story than that.

Re: "Open Source is awful in many ways, and people should be aware of this"

#93

never cared who is behind a nick on the other side of the cable, if he is white,black,yellow,green or pink. But i like the banter and sometimes people are cursing at others not because of gender, race or any other factor but because of emotions. If PC will get over everything soon it will be not acceptable to say anything. Is this the internet we all fought for ? In internet it doesn't matter who you are.

in interwebs you can be even atari owner...Yes even them are welcome and it doesn't matter guy is atari owner. So why mix in chat about kernel patch code that he is an atari owner ? he can't change it, and it doesn't matter. But should he get less flame because he owns atari ? no.

Re: "Open Source is awful in many ways, and people should be aware of this"

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I agree somewhat with Lennart. The Libre/OSS community is full of egotistical asshats -- generally western and in their 30s and 40s. What's funny, though, is that not all camps in the community are that bad. The Linux camp has deteriorated in recent years -- I've noticed it myself on several occasions. The BSD camps don't suffer near as much from the nonsense that occurs on the Linux side. I think there are several r…

I really don't appreciate the ageism in this comment. It's unbelievable that in this industry you don't meet 20-something asshats so that you have to single out people in their 30s and 40s.

Re: "Open Source is awful in many ways, and people should be aware of this"

#95
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it (mo/i)ronic that you reference people with full name "XYZ attacked me", only for verification of course, but you forgot to include your own name.

He named the GitHub repo which has his name in big bold letters: https://github.com/nanoscopic

Better might be to provide links to the cases where he feels hard done by.

Re: the app framework naming, there's some partial conversation involving Brian Foy at https://www.mail-archive.com/modules@perl.org/msg34595.html. It doesn't seem to merit nanoscopic's comments, so I wonder if there's more to the story or if nanoscopic is being unfair.

I tried to find archives of the Grant McLean XML stuff, but cursory Google searches were unsuccessful.

If you want to name and shame people (and let's be honest: if you're naming people, saying they did bad things and inviting others to Google it, you are shaming them, explicit disclaimer of shaming intentions notwithstanding), you should (a) use your name and (b) provide adequate breadcrumbs for others to see that your position is just.

Re: "Open Source is awful in many ways, and people should be aware of this"

#96

This doesn't pertain to " Open Source " in general, the same argument can be said about companies and closed-source products, which can be just as well run by jerks. I have a couple of small projects published on GitHub and the people that interacted with me have been very professional and thankful for my work. I am also a part of big open-source communities which are very professional and asshole behavior is definit…

I think when you have the time to write and edit your thoughts for people to read, "fuck" is witless and lazy.

Re: "Open Source is awful in many ways, and people should be aware of this"

#97
Maybe video should replace written text in some of these exchanges. I think that someone having to record themselves would make them think twice and maybe rephrase some heinous language. Written word also has the disadvantage of not conveying non-verbal body language and can also be misinterpreted. Not sure this solution would be widely accepted though, unfortunately.

Re: "Open Source is awful in many ways, and people should be aware of this"

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post #83

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So isn't your beef really with the distro's which aren't fulfilling your needs? Maybe you should start your own branch with Systemd specifically excluded. That is how many currently popular distro's because popular (mostly relating to different windowing systems, etc but still). You could also move to Gentoo Linux which doesn't (and has no plans) to utilise Systemd as the default. Last point; systemd is so "crap" tha…

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Re: "Open Source is awful in many ways, and people should be aware of this"

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I think this is an important point for people to accept, acknowledge, and keep in mind as a reason to strive harder to be open and accepting to people, especially those you don't agree with. I got a bunch of attacks from members of the open source community, due to developing my XML parser. ( Grant McLean and others ) I also got attacked by Poul-Henning Kamp, and then threatened that he would "shame" me for pointing…

I failed to understand this line of criticism. Open Source is a software development model. It's not a model of society and does not guarantee to consists of only well-mannered people. There are ugly, difficult people everywhere, not just in Open Source projects.
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