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Re: iOS 8 reviewed

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Post by drewblaisdell » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 5:08 PM UTC

jahewson wrote: post #75

drewblaisdell wrote: post #52

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This bug, which continues to cripple HTML5 apps on the App Store but not ones accessed in Safari, seems almost too perfect to be unintentional.

But Safari doesn't load local files, so the bug wouldn't be noticed there. Makes perfect sense.

The point of including WKWebView in the iOS 8 SDK is to make it accessible to non-Safari apps. They must have actually tested this new component.

I don't doubt that there is probably an explanation that makes sense, but based on what we know, the least malicious explanation is that they forgot to test WKWebView with local files, which doesn't make sense.

Re: iOS 8 reviewed

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Post by sirkneeland » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 5:10 PM UTC

sirn wrote: post #23

Someone1234 wrote: post #2

Credit where credit is due, the lack of customisable keyboards was a major gripe of mine when people asked me why I'd never buy an iOS device. A Swype-like keyboard (I actually use Google Keyboard's Swype mode, even though I own Swype) is a "must have" on my phone and has been for over three and a half years (since Swype beta was available on the original Galaxy Note). While there are definitely thumb typists who can…

My usage case is probably a very edge case, but my biggest complaint with Android 3rd party keyboard ecosystem is how hard and inconsistent is to switch between third party keyboards. I like SwiftKey, but I use about three languages daily and SwiftKey is not good enough for two other languages I use (Japanese, Thai), so I have to use other keyboard. Switching between multiple keyboards in Android is totally pain. Thi…

The Nokia N9 had a fantastic way of switching keyboards. In keeping with the "Swipe UI" theme you would just swipe the keyboard horizontally and it would roll over to the next one. Brilliant, elegant, buttonless, consistent.

Re: iOS 8 reviewed

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Post by HaloZero » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 5:22 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #2

Credit where credit is due, the lack of customisable keyboards was a major gripe of mine when people asked me why I'd never buy an iOS device. A Swype-like keyboard (I actually use Google Keyboard's Swype mode, even though I own Swype) is a "must have" on my phone and has been for over three and a half years (since Swype beta was available on the original Galaxy Note). While there are definitely thumb typists who can…

For some reason Swype is not available in the US App Store, which is bugging me.

Re: iOS 8 reviewed

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Post by jarin » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 5:23 PM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #48

Sephiroth87 wrote: post #14

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That simply mean that the app was killed usually for memory reasons, you see the old content because the app shows you a screenshot that was taken before going in the background, and then starts again, thus refreshing

Who cares why it happens? I've gone back and forth between iOS and Android over the years and it never happens to me on my Android devices. Both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses obviously, but this used to piss me off to no end on iOS.

iOS is a little more strict about how applications use memory. Apps need to expect to be terminated at any time and be able to suspend their state with a few seconds' notice.

The reason is to give you better battery life and fewer issues caused by limited available memory.

Re: iOS 8 reviewed

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Post by drwxrwxrwt » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 5:24 PM UTC

zippergz wrote: post #68

untog wrote: post #15

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I'd never run (and I'm sure a lot of people here don't either) a desktop browser without some sort of ad blocking going on I'd actually be interested to see an HN poll on this. I do not run an ad blocker and frankly I find most complaints about ads online to be totally overblown. Years ago there was a hellish amount of pop-ups, pop-overs and pop-unders, but these days I really don't have many problems, and I'm happy…

The only ad blocking I use or need is disabling Flash, and iOS comes with that out of the box.

The progress marches on. The major annoyance are "talking" ads which disabling flash used to neuter. Nowadays, I see more and more autoplayed video ads served as a fallback. Almost at the point where need to do something to preserve some sanity. I like the "support the sites" mantra, but those publishers need to try to choose reputable ads networks and enforce the policy of cutting clearly obnoxious ones

Re: iOS 8 reviewed

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Post by pshc » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 5:26 PM UTC

tsm wrote: post #89

hrabago wrote: post #86

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Aren't the differences only in storage?

Presumably that also affects the amount of swap space available.

iOS doesn't swap like traditional OSes, although it does persist a small cache of metadata about running app instances. The file system is not particularly fast, though, so I could see low space conditions (that might trigger reclamation or defragmentation) slowing things down in general.

Re: iOS 8 reviewed

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Post by snlacks » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 5:27 PM UTC

guardian5x wrote: post #3

Someone1234 wrote: post #2

Credit where credit is due, the lack of customisable keyboards was a major gripe of mine when people asked me why I'd never buy an iOS device. A Swype-like keyboard (I actually use Google Keyboard's Swype mode, even though I own Swype) is a "must have" on my phone and has been for over three and a half years (since Swype beta was available on the original Galaxy Note). While there are definitely thumb typists who can…

Interestingly Windows Phone 8.1 already has a Swype-like keyboard which works really well. I hope they will include it in Windows 8.1 or maybe Threshold as well.

I am not an apple fan, but this update (based on reading this review) is very impressive. Maybe Apple will win over some Android/Other users without alienating their base. It seems likely.

It's a good development for iOS and WP to have more flexibility without comprising the essence of what they are.

When I got the Lumia 635, I didn't know about the swype-like functionality. I used it from time to time, without thinking, but never noticed it until someone else pointed it out.

It works well, and would be nice on the Windows tablets.

Re: iOS 8 reviewed

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Post by untog » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 5:27 PM UTC

drewblaisdell wrote: post #91

jahewson wrote: post #75

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But Safari doesn't load local files, so the bug wouldn't be noticed there. Makes perfect sense.

The point of including WKWebView in the iOS 8 SDK is to make it accessible to non-Safari apps. They must have actually tested this new component. I don't doubt that there is probably an explanation that makes sense, but based on what we know, the least malicious explanation is that they forgot to test WKWebView with local files, which doesn't make sense.

"They must have actually tested this new component."

Honestly, with Apple sometimes I wonder. Safari had so, so many bugs when iOS7 launched that I no longer believe they spend a meaningful amount of time testing Safari before launch.

Re: iOS 8 reviewed

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Post by alsetmusic » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 5:34 PM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #48

Sephiroth87 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That simply mean that the app was killed usually for memory reasons, you see the old content because the app shows you a screenshot that was taken before going in the background, and then starts again, thus refreshing

Who cares why it happens? I've gone back and forth between iOS and Android over the years and it never happens to me on my Android devices. Both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses obviously, but this used to piss me off to no end on iOS.

> Who cares why it happens?

People who are curious about system internals. Probably some of the people who read a site like HN. Even my dad likes to understand where these limitations originate and he's not a 'computer person' (though he is an engineer in another field).

Re: iOS 8 reviewed

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Post by alsetmusic » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 5:34 PM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #48

Sephiroth87 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That simply mean that the app was killed usually for memory reasons, you see the old content because the app shows you a screenshot that was taken before going in the background, and then starts again, thus refreshing

Who cares why it happens? I've gone back and forth between iOS and Android over the years and it never happens to me on my Android devices. Both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses obviously, but this used to piss me off to no end on iOS.

> Who cares why it happens?

People who are curious about system internals. Probably some of the people who read a site like HN. Even my dad likes to understand where these limitations originate and he's not a 'computer person' (though he is an engineer in another field).