Looks like they recently changed the name to Cycada.
Yes they did, look at this http://systems.cs.columbia.edu/projects/cycada/
Cider Project: Run iOS apps on Android
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Re: Cider Project: Run iOS apps on Android
#92... we reused existing iOS frameworks and libraries in our approach, avoiding the difficult and complex reimplementation effort of Wine. Cool, but it's against Apple's EULA to run the iOS binaries on non-Apple hardware, so unfortunately this project suffers from the same problem as emulators that require you to acquire the original firmware somehow.
UNtil you build things like this there is no incentive to change the EULA, with something liberating like this it can force political change. Make it open source and it cannot die.
Re: Cider Project: Run iOS apps on Android
#93There were a couple of attempts at similar stuff before, I was working on a similar thing (called Magenta) but I kind of lost motivation a long time ago.
Re: Cider Project: Run iOS apps on Android
#94So what are the chances that this will get released in some sort of end-user friendly format?
If the original developers don't do it will others be able to apply the ideas now that they are proven to work?
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or maybe, just maybe, someone who has spent this much time developing a VM for Apple's software architecture has a great skillset and would be a welcome addition to one of Apple's teams. The same exact thing happened to the guy behind ReactOS (an Open Source Windows NT replacement). The guy became /so/ familiar with Windows that he eventually got a job on the actual Windows Kernel team.
I don't get why hackers want to work at such large companies. If someone has over about 50 employees or about 10 million backing, I don't see what's interesting about it. edit (due to the downvotes): Sorry, this was an honest question. I've been working for about 15 years and have always been really put off by the institutional structure of large companies ... the constitution of them just doesn't work for the kind o…
Small companies rarely have the resources to let people work on interesting projects with no immediate obvious commercial viability. You'll never see the equivalent of Microsoft Research in a startup, say.
Re: Cider Project: Run iOS apps on Android
#96> "a new system that can run iOS apps on an Android device for the first time" We at Apportable (YC W2011) have been doing that for 3 + years in a much for commercially viable way. We strive for source compatibility and are not building an emulator that requires taking libraries from an iOS device.
Your way requires the developer to use Apportable to port an iOS app to Android. If the developer has agreed with Apple to not port the app to Android, it will never be available. Their way gives the power to the user. The user copies across iOS app binary and system libraries and it's done. Basically, your way empowers the developer, their way empowers the user. You need to be commercially viable because your invest…
> If the developer has agreed with Apple to not port the app to Android
Exclusives in the mobile industry are vanishingly rare. This wasn't always the case; Nvidia had a bunch of exclusive games (or at least exclusive on Android; they were mostly iOS ports) when they brought out the Tegra 2, and Samsung and Amazon have occasionally had time-limited exclusives on high-profile properties like Angry Birds, but it doesn't really make much sense for the developer, and seems to have largely stopped.
Re: Cider Project: Run iOS apps on Android
#97> "a new system that can run iOS apps on an Android device for the first time" We at Apportable (YC W2011) have been doing that for 3 + years in a much for commercially viable way. We strive for source compatibility and are not building an emulator that requires taking libraries from an iOS device.
In general Apportable sounds great. But in reality - we see little results, relatively. Lots of IOS only apps, still. None of the big guys, who would surely be interested in offering devices/app-stores with full access to ios apps have bought you. So i wonder: why is that gap between the marketing and reality ? and maybe an emulator will close that gap ?
> None of the big guys, who would surely be interested in offering devices/app-stores with full access to ios apps have bought you.
To do that, they'd need developer cooperation. Developers are notoriously unwilling to deal with any app stores but the Apple and Google ones; look at the state of the Amazon and particularly the Samsung ones.
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#98“Users no longer need to be locked into one platform. Being able to write an app once and run it anywhere has been a long-sought-after goal and a very hard problem to solve.” This is naive, stupid, or both. There never was a technical cause of lock in (as indeed the Apportable people are not alone in demonstrating), it's purely an artificial business construct with the surmountable technical hurdles being very conven…
I actually thought it odd that they would cite iTunes as a feature that Android users would want . iTunes on Windows is one of the worst pieces of software by a major company...ever. If I want to buy music or video I can do it through Amazon, and I have vastly more trust for Amazon's pricing structures. (Remember the anti-trust suit that Apple lost? The one that found them guilty of artificially keeping eBook prices…
iTunes on Mac however is pretty good
Re: Cider Project: Run iOS apps on Android
#99“Users no longer need to be locked into one platform. Being able to write an app once and run it anywhere has been a long-sought-after goal and a very hard problem to solve.” This is naive, stupid, or both. There never was a technical cause of lock in (as indeed the Apportable people are not alone in demonstrating), it's purely an artificial business construct with the surmountable technical hurdles being very conven…
I actually thought it odd that they would cite iTunes as a feature that Android users would want . iTunes on Windows is one of the worst pieces of software by a major company...ever. If I want to buy music or video I can do it through Amazon, and I have vastly more trust for Amazon's pricing structures. (Remember the anti-trust suit that Apple lost? The one that found them guilty of artificially keeping eBook prices…
Yes, you should definitely trust the pricing of the company that started out the ebook business selling best-sellers for less than they had to pay in royalties to publishers. I mean, it couldn't possibly have been an attempt to drive competitors out of the space...
Re: Cider Project: Run iOS apps on Android
#100“Users no longer need to be locked into one platform. Being able to write an app once and run it anywhere has been a long-sought-after goal and a very hard problem to solve.” This is naive, stupid, or both. There never was a technical cause of lock in (as indeed the Apportable people are not alone in demonstrating), it's purely an artificial business construct with the surmountable technical hurdles being very conven…
This may be true - but in the so called 'AAA' video games industry at least, it's become increasingly common to provide OS X ports of Windows games by simply packaging them up with a wrapper coincidentally called Cider - https://www.transgaming.com/cider
Edit: Seems like the AndroidiOS Cider team have realised this and renamed to 'Cycada'