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Why has Google cast me into oblivion?

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Re: Why has Google cast me into oblivion?

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Post by SnacksOnAPlane »

happyscrappy wrote: post #65
personZ wrote: post #3

To be fair to Google, it opposed the European court ruling. But its implementation of it looks odd, perhaps clumsy. I find it incredible that Google is held at fault in this case because they don't choose whether it is "inadequate, irrelevant or no longer relevant" in a way that fits the author's view. Such an analysis is so absurdly subjective, and it is impossible for Google to satisfy both sides. The European Cour…

The internet routes around foolishness like this, thankfully. The only thing the EU court is doing here is damaging their own credibility.

No, it doesn't. Try getting any visitors to your site if you don't have name recognition and get de-indexed by Google.

Re: Why has Google cast me into oblivion?

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Post by webhat »

I'm seeing a catch-22: by writing and posting this article this article made the other article relevant. And Stan O'Neal, if he requested it deleted, is relevant again - albeit in a context of filing a removal notice.

Re: Why has Google cast me into oblivion?

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Post by seszett »

cwyers wrote: post #79
seszett wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not, as long as the European sites don't show them, because the court is well aware that it doesn't have jurisdiction outside the EU. It's really not complicated.

Well that was my entire point: that Google was doing everything it could to fight the EU's "right to be forgotten" short of simply deciding (like they did with China) to stop operating a search engine in EU's jurisdiction.

My point is that stopping operating their search engine in the EU, while redirecting European domains to Google.com, and keeping headquarters there, would be contempt of court. Because it's very obviously not following the court's decision. Whereas obeying the court order in Europe but not in the rest of the world is completely normal.

Of course, stopping all operations in EU altogether would be fine too, but they're not going to do that.

Re: Why has Google cast me into oblivion?

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

Vik1ng wrote: post #88
dap wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, I fully expect a modern society to give a second chance to a difficult teenager that receives a criminal record. They could do that by avoiding judgment on a teenager with a critical record rather than not pretending like that record doesn't exist. And if the problem is that too many people are judging, then it's not true that society at large really does feel the same way about it. Give people facts,…

The reality is that someone who has 50 applications on his table and wants to invite 5-10 for an interview for 1 position is looking for easy ways to narrow them down.

And over time society will recognise that prejudging applicants based on irrelevant crap unearthed on the Internet isn't the best business strategy, so the original problem diminishes.

Re: Why has Google cast me into oblivion?

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

SnacksOnAPlane wrote: post #91
happyscrappy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet routes around foolishness like this, thankfully. The only thing the EU court is doing here is damaging their own credibility.

No, it doesn't. Try getting any visitors to your site if you don't have name recognition and get de-indexed by Google.

It's not about any one individual site. It's about information being removed altogether. The point is that's essentially impossible - there is no way the information about Dougie MacDonald (and the rest) is going to be suppressed - if anything, this will make it more widely available.

Re: Why has Google cast me into oblivion?

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Post by happyscrappy »

SnacksOnAPlane wrote: post #91
happyscrappy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet routes around foolishness like this, thankfully. The only thing the EU court is doing here is damaging their own credibility.

No, it doesn't. Try getting any visitors to your site if you don't have name recognition and get de-indexed by Google.

Google in Europe will be known to be censored, there will be Google results to blogs about censored data that will be visible in a plain Google search, even in Europe.

Re: Why has Google cast me into oblivion?

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Post by shakethemonkey »

vbuterin wrote: post #85
brownbat wrote: post #74

Should Google try to interpret the ruling as closely as possible, only blocking the most clearly irrelevant information, and honoring requests for appeals from journalists whenever possible? That would limit damage to those seeking information, but risk another turn at the courts. Or should they just implement it as broadly and bluntly as possible, lowering their risk of noncompliance, reducing their costs of evaluat…

There should be a name for deliberately making a big fuss of following every regulation as expansively as possible to prove a point; inverse civil disobedience, civil obedience maybe?

There is, it's called "work-to-rule."

Re: Why has Google cast me into oblivion?

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Post by lotsofmangos »

andrewfong wrote: post #90
EGreg wrote: post #83

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And IP http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1312/131202washingtondc.htm http://www.dmca.com/takedowns.aspx

Those aren't great examples -- it's pretty rare to get taken down for simply reporting on IP issues. You can get taken down for distributing someone else's copyrighted content, but I have yet to see the government go after someone for simple journalism. The closest we've gotten to that was the Dajaz1 domain name seizure, but that was because they served up actual copyrighted songs (though arguably with authorization)…

Reporting facts themselves can sometimes be an IP issue in the US due to the "Hot News" doctrine.
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