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Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by snide »

hbosch wrote: post #87
snide wrote: post #17

This is what my Vim looks like. http://www.webhook.com/webhook-uploads/1396995440381_1396021... I'm a designer, not a programmer. I can't code perl, vimscript, and can barely read python or javascript. I can use git repos, which really is all I need to know how to setup Vim properly. That and I guess the ability to read some instructions. I've done nothing more than edit a .vimrc file. It took me a month to switch to…

I have to ask, being that I am a designer too, do you find it awkward to move from Vim keybindings into design programs? I have an interest in learning Vim, due to all of the vehement and myriad posts about productivity increase, but I can't divorce myself from the design programs I use (~80-90% of my day, Adobe/Sketch) and their keybinding philosophies in order to feel very comfortable switching directly to Vim and…

Text programs and design programs are already so different it's never a problem.

I'd equate it more to using your mouse for everything in photoshop or spending the time to learn that V selects the arrow key, and G selects the paint bucket.

Once you learn vim commands it's more a problem of using regular text fields (like the one I'm commenting in now). Right now I really want to use Vim key commands, and have to tell myself to Shift-left to get to the beginning of this line.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by coldtea »

snide wrote: post #17

This is what my Vim looks like. http://www.webhook.com/webhook-uploads/1396995440381_1396021... I'm a designer, not a programmer. I can't code perl, vimscript, and can barely read python or javascript. I can use git repos, which really is all I need to know how to setup Vim properly. That and I guess the ability to read some instructions. I've done nothing more than edit a .vimrc file. It took me a month to switch to…

Is the screenshot supposed to be impressive? It has all the constraints the post mentioned.

>Sublime just LOOKS bloated to me at this point.

There are tons of themes you can use, including some far more minimal than your Vim screenshot. Don't know exactly what "looks" bloated.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by coldtea »

gnuvince wrote: post #9

So, in a few thousand words, the author manages to give multiple reasons not to use Vim and not a single one to use Sublime Text, except this: > But Sublime has things Vim can never have. It’s the new hotness and has a more active community than Vim does. "Things Vim can never have"? Details please. "It's the new hotness"? Yeah, because I choose my software based on its hip factor rather than its suitability to do wh…

>"Things Vim can never have"? Details please.

He gave several, did you read the article?

A proper extension mechanism for one.

A GUI that's not just monospaced fonts (or just some stylized buttons triggering functions, as Gvim, MacVim etc).

Ans lots of other things. As a matter of fact, a team even started refactoring Vim itself a few months ago, because they feel the current code doesn't cut it and they want to have a codebase that can be properly extended and get rid of all the legacy cruft.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by coldtea »

vezzy-fnord wrote: post #62

As a person who doesn't even use elvis/vim as their main editor, I have to say: the reason people have such an aversion to it is because of all the years they have been conditioned to accept mediocre user interfaces and computing in general. It's a culture shock, overall. It's like moving from Windows 8.1 to Slackware 14.1. Even if the latter is far more transparent, well designed and productive, it's just so differe…

>It's a culture shock, overall. It's like moving from Windows 8.1 to Slackware 14.1. Even if the latter is far more transparent, well designed and productive, it's just so different.

Nope, Slackware 14.1 is not "more well designed and productive". I want a graphics editor with full CMYK proofing support and Smart Objects. Do you have one for your Slackware? Didn't think so. How about a DAW I can collaborate with any major studio, like say Pro Tools? Didn't think so again.

Of course those are MY use cases. But you can't generally talk about it "being more productive" (in general) unless you specify for what uses. For mine, it's very near useless. And that's the case for millions of people too, even if their needs doesn't include Pro Tools or Photoshop. They invariably include other stuff that Gnome/KDE don't give them. And the myth that "most people just use web and email" is also BS. Normal, everyday people, do tons of stuff Linux doesn't cater to well, from wanting to edit their child's birthday video on the PC, to wanting their laptop to sleep when they close the lid.

Slackware 14.1 might be a better for a server OS (but then again Centos and even Ubuntu LTS have eaten its lunch), but not for what lots of people use Windows for.

>Dijkstra sardonically quipped that COBOL cripples the mind and BASIC leads to irrecoverable mental mutilation.

Yeah, but then again he was all theory, and could snark about everything. Most of it is to be taken with huge grains of salt. Not to mention that the snide against those languages is ironic, coming from the guy who gave us ALGOL.

>I'm not directing this to the author, specifically. It looks like they tried, at least. We're content with inferiority. Try getting a person who's used to 20 years of QWERTY to switch to DVORAK. It may not be that difficult at all, but it requires stepping out of our comfort zone.

And what for? To adopt a ho-hum keyboard system, that's presented as a magic bullet for gullible people. DVORAK, the 80+ year old late-night-tv-special of keyboard systems.

http://www.economist.com/node/196071

https://www.utdallas.edu/~liebowit/keys1.html

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by dragonwriter »

dan_bk wrote: post #61

Why not LightTable? -> http://www.lighttable.com/

LightTable looks like it might be fantastic but seems to be in desperate need of better documentation. Or maybe just better organization of the documentation. (My initial impression is that the UI has the same problem as the documentation -- very poor discoverability.)

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by itsame »

LoganCale wrote: post #31

No. I'll keep using vim, because I'm efficient in it and I enjoy using it.

To be fair, the article explicitly states the following:

> TL;DR I cannot in good faith recommend Vim to a new developer, even though I use it.

Since you're already familiar with vim, you clearly aren't in the target audience.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by geon »

> You’re going to be useless in the technology world if you can’t edit a file remotely, which will you will be in a terminal for, and which you will be using Vim for.

Whenever I really need to edit a file remotely, there is nano.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by johnchristopher »

kiyoto wrote: post #56
sergiotapia wrote: post #2

Refreshing to see this after all the Vim gospel programmers out there claiming it's benefits. I do have to say though, I've seen some videos of real Vim pros at work and it's -majestic- how swiftly they move through lines and duplicating lines, editing params, refactoring, etc - a thing of beauty akin to watching videos on /r/artisanvideos[0]. I'll stick to Sublime Text and Nano when I need some ssh terminal editing.…

> I've seen some videos of real Vim pros at work Yeah, I know one of these people too. I know one for Emacs, Eclipse, Excel and of course SublimeText. Honestly, I don't see why some folks obsess over text editors/IDEs. Familiarity and mastery matter way more than features. Sure, a truly barebone editor like Notepad.exe or nano might be insufficient, but any editor with a decently-sized following has enough features t…

Wait a minute.

I am sure I have read that part somewhere:

> Honestly, I don't see why some folks obsess over text editors/IDEs. Familiarity and mastery matter way more than features. Sure, a truly barebone

Are you quoting someone ? I think I read something like this some years ago and it turned into a short-lived meme about text editors.

Or am I experiencing some kind of déjà-vu ?

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by wonderzombie »

snide wrote: post #17

This is what my Vim looks like. http://www.webhook.com/webhook-uploads/1396995440381_1396021... I'm a designer, not a programmer. I can't code perl, vimscript, and can barely read python or javascript. I can use git repos, which really is all I need to know how to setup Vim properly. That and I guess the ability to read some instructions. I've done nothing more than edit a .vimrc file. It took me a month to switch to…

I guess bloat is subjective. Your setup looks nice and I'm glad you found something that works for you. But on the flip side, it "looks" bloated to me, too— any reasonably useful Vim setup will have at least a dozen or so plugins and/or an intricate .vimrc.

Sublime Text did almost all I wanted out of the box. Maybe it has more functionality than I need, but it won hands down in terms of installing (and maintaining) software in order for it to be usable for me.

FWIW, since I abandoned Vim as my main editor, I just grab spf13-vim[0] when I want to use it. It's still really handy to be able to type vi foo to edit a file at the command line.

[0]: http://vim.spf13.com/

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