How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
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Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
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Hey, +1000 for online gaming. I'm an moderate introvert with some greats friends. Nowadays I play a lot a certain MMO. I met some greats & awesome people, even had some meetup IRL. I've met people working at Apple, Blizzard & more. We shared passion & experience, it got me some business opportunity too. The world is so small it's amazing.
-10000 for online gaming. You don't know it yet but online gaming can ruin your life. It's the most accessible, inoffensive looking, procrastination enhancing, important decision delaying, time wasting, addictive habit/hobby/relaxation.
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hey, +1000 for online gaming. I'm an moderate introvert with some greats friends. Nowadays I play a lot a certain MMO. I met some greats & awesome people, even had some meetup IRL. I've met people working at Apple, Blizzard & more. We shared passion & experience, it got me some business opportunity too. The world is so small it's amazing.
-10000 for online gaming. You don't know it yet but online gaming can ruin your life. It's the most accessible, inoffensive looking, procrastination enhancing, important decision delaying, time wasting, addictive habit/hobby/relaxation.
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#94Also, what about friends of friends and colleagues at work, you can start there as well.
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hey, +1000 for online gaming. I'm an moderate introvert with some greats friends. Nowadays I play a lot a certain MMO. I met some greats & awesome people, even had some meetup IRL. I've met people working at Apple, Blizzard & more. We shared passion & experience, it got me some business opportunity too. The world is so small it's amazing.
-10000 for online gaming. You don't know it yet but online gaming can ruin your life. It's the most accessible, inoffensive looking, procrastination enhancing, important decision delaying, time wasting, addictive habit/hobby/relaxation.
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#96Join a meetup.com group of movie lovers (or whatever you enjoy, but avoid too-geeky groups). Slowly get to know people attending the meetups. Just be nice. Don't be afraid to politely express your opinions. When you see someone that seems alone or new to the group, be the first to approach them. You can meet tons of interesting people this way.
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#97Before I go on to list the tips, here's something I learned from having been in a psychotherapie myself (different reasons, though): Be absolutely clear that the investments your have to do (overcoming your angst) are huge, and wil only slowly diminish. You will need to force yourself to action.
Now here's some things I gathered:
* Being good at social interactions is a skill that needs to be trained. Remember how long it took to become a hacker? And how bad you were at first at it? Same thing with talking to strangers. However, while hacking awful code can still be a rewarding experience, having an awkward conversation is probably not. Try and work on that first: Every time you've managed to start a conversation, regardless where, with whom or how it went, reward yourself (think about how fucking hard it was to do it, and you dit it! Also, probably none of the bad things you imagined happened). As important: Do it consistently (yes, standard time management techniques help).
* Maximize your exposure to other people. Join a choir (even if you can't sing – this is a great place to learn it), learn sports (martial arts seem to be popular with nerds), or join some other club. There are other great tips here. It's OK if it takes time to make friends – use the regular sessions to practice casual conversation.
* Experiment with drinking a little (like beer or wine), when you go out. I know, this really sounds like bad advice, but it helps for quite a lot of people I know. Avoid being drunk, however! Generally, avoid drinking if you want to talk to girls, especially if you are not used it. Sober you might be shy (not a bad thing per se, can be really sweet), drunk you risk to appear creepy.
* I heavily suggest not trying to change your looks, or you body language, or anything superficial, based on what you think makes you appear more confident. It won't change anything relevant. Moreover, I havent't met a single socially awkward person who was able to pull this off (trying to appear confident). Try to feel natural, even if you can't always feel comfortable.
* Practice your English skills in conversation. There's no other way to become fluent (I'm not a native English speaker myself, and my English is OK at best, but it's enough). Try to remember phrases of other people you liked. Generally, people don't care if your English isn't perfect, but I know from experience (in more than one language): The better you know the language, the safer you feel in a conversation.
* Best tip I read here on HN: Care about other people.
But: If you feel that this is all too much at your stage, and if you keep re-iterating destructive thoughts, I recommend seeking therapy. _Rational emotive behavior therapy_ has been shown to help[2]. Group therapy might be an alternative to regular psycotherapy sessions.
BTW: Congratulations! Starting a thread on HN was a great idea. You'll need determination and willpower, but you're off to a good start.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_emotive_behavior_thera... [2] http://www.jiaap.org/Listing_Detail/Logo/ba65b0f5-6158-4c3d-...
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#98I'd highly recommend doing two things in parallel. 1. Read How to win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. 2. Try to talk to someone new every day. On item 1 - I promise that it's not as lame as the title makes it sound. If you internalize the core advice behind this book it will drastically improve your life and it will make you a better person. On item 2 - don't go overboard with this. There's no need to…
Learning how people use language is just as much of a hurdle as learning the grammar, words, etc.
I can't think of any off the top of my head but there are ways of saying things in New Zealand that are totally normal, but exceptionally rude in the US (and vice versa). Have you run into this?
Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?
#99When I was living in the US, it was quite hard for me to make american friends. Probably because of the language barrier, and also because the "natives" don't feel the urge to make new friends as they have groups of friends already.
On the other hand, it was much easier to bond with other foreigners, especially people from my country or with similar culture. At least as a starting point, I think your best bet would be to find other asians who you could relate to.
Besides that, just taking place in various activities will eventually help you to make friend (but it can take time). But not all activities are equal for that matter so you may need to try a few ones. For instance, I was in a swimming club where people barely talk to each other. And in a boxing class where I made a bunch of diverse friends.
As for meeting women, online dating is the way to go I suppose. Living in New York, i was very surprised how easy it was. Actually, I found it much easier to find girlfriends than friends.
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#100I stated this in a sub thread, but: Get in the practice of getting in debt to other people (not necessarily monetary). Asking for favors, or help. If you read Debt: The Last 5000 years, debts are the glue that held society together for milennia. It sounds like you have done a lot of work making yourself independent. But if you want to be social and have friends, you have to do exactly the opposite, and find a way to…
I'd much rather have a friendship rooted in love/care than in manufactured debts. I wouldn't see the latter as much of a friendship.