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A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Post by girvo »

gordonguthrie wrote: post #28
thesimpsons1022 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

don't forget a majority of the victims were men. 3 stabbed in their apartment and 1 shot. :(

Because his planned attack on the sorority failed. The manifesto is gynocidal.

And his videos were specifcally saying he hated everyone.

He was a severely mentally ill sick person who is now dead and took innocent people with him. Seriously, misogyny doesn't have all that much to do with it, from my perspective. Yes, he was a misogynist, but the unsaid implication I've seen all over the web is that "All misogynists are just like this guy!", which doesn't follow, as far as I'm concerned.

I just write misogynists off as sad people that I won't associate with, not violent murderers waiting for a chance to "show the world".

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Post by gojomo »

tptacek wrote: post #31

I can appreciate RG's leadership having the self-awareness to see the need to make an Adult Decision in this case, but I think it's probably a mistake for them to continue hosting the Rodgers diary. Contrary to Moghadam's comments, the diary is not particularly well-written. It's long, repetitive, weirdly detailed (the author recounts meals eaten years ago), and studded with evidence of psychopathy. RG's style of ann…

RG's mission is to annotate. The size, content-matter, and closeness to a violent event make Rodger's 'Twisted Life' a very challenging document for their system... which is exactly why I think they must host it.

It's widely available, and people are interested. Either RG-style annotation helps people come to terms with it, or not. But they have to try, to find out – and possibly improve their practices if they're found wanting.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Post by [deleted] »

ahelwer wrote: post #90
tptacek wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now you're making a joke out of "not all men". Are you sure you're helping?

Hmmm? "Not all men" is usually presented as a joke. For example, [0]. Similar riffs can be found involving, for example, the Kool-Aid Man. As an aside, your comment is very patronizing. [0] http://i.imgur.com/ZS87l6M.png

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Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Post by gojomo »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #85
AznHisoka wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but no. Ok, not everybody is going to kill girls because they rejected you, but almost every man understand at least some of the feelings + frustrations he experienced (especially virgins). To deny this is to deny the huge elephant in the room - the fact that men do have the primal need for sex, and when it's denied/suppressed, bad things happen as that need goes unfulfilled.

You know, speaking as a dude it's pretty insulting to see you insinuate that I'm some pent up murder machine held in check only so long as I keep my dick wet.

You're probably not. But if the mere observation that some men do risky, strange, violent things as part of their drive for sex strikes you as a personal insult, then you are too sensitive.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Post by grumpypants666 »

This should have been done long ago when he was caught in the paid link scam - not sure why it took them so long to fire his ass.

But then again this is another worthless company with no scruples. Hosting the "manifesto" is nothing but an attempt at link bait via sensationalism. Who gives a crap about what the psycho wrote - Rap Genius is just hosting it for more page views - because well, they'll bend over and drop trou' for anything that will bring them traffic.

Can't wait until Rap Genius ends up in the dustbin of dead companies.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Post by coldtea »

>but went beyond that into gleeful insensitivity and misogyny. All of which is contrary to everything we’re trying to accomplish at Rap Genius.

Yeah, because otherwise most rap is all about sensitivity and feminism. I mean, they'd never embrace Ice Cube's records there, right?

I just see corporate drones fearing for their dollars because of the backslash against this guy's annotations.

The noble thing to do would have been to stand behind their colleague. I'd take a "misogynist" over backstabbing people throwing their friends to the lions. At least a misogynist could either be joking or made to change his mind about women. But their actions are all for personal interests and their bottom line.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Post by coldtea »

anu_gupta wrote: post #89
AznHisoka wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but no. Ok, not everybody is going to kill girls because they rejected you, but almost every man understand at least some of the feelings + frustrations he experienced (especially virgins). To deny this is to deny the huge elephant in the room - the fact that men do have the primal need for sex, and when it's denied/suppressed, bad things happen as that need goes unfulfilled.

You've basically just tried to excuse rape.

Yeah, so did Terrence: ""I am a human being, I consider nothing that is human alien to me."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence

So? We are capable of empathy and understanding of lots of things, that being ethical we wouldn't do. It's not like a murderer or rapist is some kind of alien, that we cannot even comprehend. We do it all the time, in talk and in art. E.g:

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/therapy/triggerinside.html

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Post by MartinCron »

girvo wrote: post #91
gordonguthrie wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because his planned attack on the sorority failed. The manifesto is gynocidal.

And his videos were specifcally saying he hated everyone . He was a severely mentally ill sick person who is now dead and took innocent people with him. Seriously, misogyny doesn't have all that much to do with it, from my perspective. Yes, he was a misogynist, but the unsaid implication I've seen all over the web is that "All misogynists are just like this guy!", which doesn't follow, as far as I'm concerned. I just…

Part of the fear that many people have is that you can't always tell the difference between a garden-variety "just angry at chicks" guy and a "one bad day away from taking out a sorority guy" until it is too late.

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Post by coldtea »

dbloom wrote: post #71
DoubleMalt wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sad but the brain tumour could still be the reason for his behaviour. We don't know nearly enough about the brain to argue that the removal must restore the previous personality.

Behavior like that is not acceptable for someone in a position of authority at a company no matter what the context. (It's not clear what Moghadam's specific role at Rap Genius was, but he did have a seat on the board of directors) It's the same reason that we shouldn't let blind people fly commercial airliners. Flying requires vision. Running a company requires good judgement.

>Behavior like that is not acceptable for someone in a position of authority at a company no matter what the context.

Says who? It's not like the company is Disney. For some companies such antics are par for the course (e.g a gangsta rap record company).

Re: A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

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Post by edwardhotchkiss »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

Context: http://gawker.com/rap-genius-co-founders-creepy-comments-on-... Mahbod compliments several of Rodger's sentences as "artful" and/or "beautifully written". That is okay, if ill-timed. One can make a stylistic statement about Mein Kampf without endorsing its message. He also, however, speculates that Rodger's "sister is smokin' hot." That is violently inappropriate, particularly given the misogynistic nature o…

> violently inappropriate

Really? Violent?

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