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How Wall Street recruits so many Ivy League grads

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Re: How Wall Street recruits so many Ivy League grads

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> But this is more a criticism of K-12 education, not the wall street industry! No matter if K-12 system is doing its job or not, Ivy League should not be sweeping up a their of Ivy League graduates. > By suggesting that investment banks are "printing money," you've shown that you aren't well-informed on the industry. Yes I apologize. I was just venting my frustration. But are the finance companies THAT important tha…

Well other professions need to pay more then - unless you think rigidly planned economies are good idea? "ah yes comrade brin" for you we have a nice job as third assistant boiler maintenance operative.

Amusingly, Comrade Brin's job in Soviet Russia was... as a central planner (economist)

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-04-26-sergeys-...

Re: How Wall Street recruits so many Ivy League grads

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> Ivy-league grads go into finance because it's an industry that really values their particular pedigree, and is willing to pay for it. OTHER industries value the Ivy-league grads just as much. It's just that the budget doesn't allow paying at the rate to compete with Wall Street. That's the problem.

Google and Facebook generate more than $1 million of revenue per employee, quite comparable to Goldman and substantially above Morgan Stanley. The money is there, at least in tech, just more of it goes to shareholders and less to compensating employees. Why do banks pay out so much more of their revenues out in compensation? Because investment banks are service businesses and not product businesses. Their product is…

Top Google engineers can make millions in stock grants. Even if you're not the best of the best, get promoted a couple times and you get a very respectable salary and stock grants that (in this market) add up very quickly. I know at least a couple mid/late-20s engineers that are like "Yeah, I'll stick it out for another 5-10 years and then move to Portland or Seattle and retire."

Re: How Wall Street recruits so many Ivy League grads

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Ivy-league grads go into finance because it's an industry that really values their particular pedigree, and is willing to pay for it. Engineering, on the other hand, really doesn't. Engineering companies aren't paying $200k bonuses to kids just a few years out of an Ivy-league school. Indeed, it's pretty hard to set yourself apart, as an engineer, in a way that allows you to earn even twice as much as another enginee…

> If the banks are correct that Ivy-league grads are the best and the brightest, They aren't. Ivy League grads have "high-status branding" that the banks use to get faux credibility when signing big deals.

In that case, why lament they're going to finance instead of stem?

Re: How Wall Street recruits so many Ivy League grads

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Wall Street is NOT building up America but is instead weakening America by causing a Great Brain Drain from every other vital industry. It is a cancer that's eating away America. Because America is losing the brightest kids who could've really shined and played vital leadership roles in other industries, I feel American industries are falling behind. Some quotes from the article that you should remember: 1. "so many…

I don't know. If you want to increase the number of skilled workers, wouldn't it be easier just to raise immigration quotas on them?

Re: How Wall Street recruits so many Ivy League grads

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BTW: the point about drug testing applies to the handful of cool, geeky, "Agile" companies that adhere to this ridiculous practice, too. In fact, a certain company by the name of Pivotal Labs comes to mind. So -- anyone from Pivotal reading this? You're more than welcome to share your true thoughts about your employer's urine fetish, here and now -- safely and anonymously! On the off chance that upper management migh…

This is the first that I've heard of Pivotal Labs requiring drug testing. That makes me really sad - I thought the tech industry was free of this incredibly invasive, offensive, and counterproductive[0] practice. Do you know any other tech companies that have these policies (particularly startups)? I wonder if this is an outlier or just a commonplace practice I've been unaware of. [0] Because not all drugs remain det…

My understanding is that it is not uncommon for VCs to push their companies to start drug testing. Can't vouch for exactly why that is, but it seems to be something that happens.

Re: How Wall Street recruits so many Ivy League grads

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Wall Street is NOT building up America but is instead weakening America by causing a Great Brain Drain from every other vital industry. It is a cancer that's eating away America. Because America is losing the brightest kids who could've really shined and played vital leadership roles in other industries, I feel American industries are falling behind. Some quotes from the article that you should remember: 1. "so many…

"with a hope of making a few million a year salary ONLY near the end of your career"

Hardly anyone will ever make even a "few" million dollars/year salary.

Honestly, this is an unrealistic dream and if that's your aspiration, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

You might as well decide you want to be President or a platinum-selling music star.

Re: How Wall Street recruits so many Ivy League grads

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How necessary are the 7am-11pm hours really? Could the banks do just as good of a job if they hired more people who worked 40 hour weeks? (Increased salary costs notwithstanding)

I'm going to disagree with the other posters. At least in investment banking, the hours are driven by the pace of corporate transactions. Mergers and divestitures are fragile things, and there is a tremendous incentive to get them done as quickly as possible. Investment bankers are at the service of their clients, and when the client wants someone to run the numbers on some idea on Thursday evening so he can have the…

> Mergers and divestitures are fragile things

Why is that the case? Is it just human nature and people are weird and illogical?

It seems to me like if a deal makes business sense at Friday at 11:30 pm, it will still make financial sense next Tuesday at 10:30 am.

Re: How Wall Street recruits so many Ivy League grads

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Anyone have thoughts on this gem? > I talked to one guy who's a former Goldman Sachs guy who left to go to the tech industry who said the adage in the tech world now is "be wary when the pretty people show up."

I think it's ironic that almost all other industries actively discriminate on the basis of appearance, and yet the tech industry is the one under attack for being prejudiced.

I think one reason for this is that anyone who complains against an industry discriminating in favor of attractive people looks like a loser.

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