Wow blast from the past, it looks awfully like something out of the early / mid 90s
For some of us, that's all we want.
LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
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Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
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http://etoileos.com/etoile/ http://fluxbox.org/screenshots/ http://awesome.naquadah.org/ http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/ http://windowmaker.org/
Well, Window Maker is basically a NeXTSTEP clone. If there is innovation it was done by NeXT in the late 80ies/early 90ies. So even an older concept than Windows 95.
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Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
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these projects died because people thought they were weird Actually, at least two of those (E and WindowMaker) remain alive. And WindowMaker's got its fervent fans (you're hearing from one here). While Raster's continued to plink away at Enlightenment, among the reasons WindowMaker development's been so modest is that it accomplished its mission : provide an implementation of the NexTstep interface. I use wmaker with…
window maker was pretty great. I wish they kept going with it. It's still one of the best window managers I've ever used.
I love Window Maker and hope its development will go on, however, its lack of features really hurts, if you are an Asian language user and have an enthusiastic taste for typeface rendering. It is not a problem for Window Maker alone, but also problems in many other WMs that do not rely on a heavy and frequently maintained toolkit, i.e. GTK or Qt, as perfectly supporting font rendering and i18n has never been a simple job.
BTW, putting off window manager/desktop environment philosophy arguments, Input Method Engine is one of those constantly neglected aspects that really matter for East Asian users. It seems that the ones making plans for WM/DE and other infrastructure had little overlap with users, and their designing decisions were very likely to omit the requirements necessary to cooperate with IMEs.
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#94Not trying to be a problem here, but what problem does this solve? Why does someone undertake to make a new desktop environment? Is XFce/Kde/gnome/cinammon/what-have-you not enough?
Well, this website isn't called Pragmatist News. Intellectual curiosity? Unhappy with existing OSes? Fun? Not a fan of a specific license? These are just guesses of course.
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#95Not trying to be a problem here, but what problem does this solve? Why does someone undertake to make a new desktop environment? Is XFce/Kde/gnome/cinammon/what-have-you not enough?
I think there is a huge opportunity for a traditional, lightweight desktop that uses Qt. Both the Gnome and KDE camps have alienated large parts of their userbase during the KDE4/Gnome3 transition. I personally find both to be less usable than their predecessors. That leaves projects like Xfce/Mate to fill the gap. The problem with these environments is that they use GTK2, which is bitrotting. Migrating to GTK3 is ri…
Are we ruling out icewm because it doesn't have a file manager and a "desktop"?
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#96I more or less completely dislike change in my desktop environment. That said, I think there's room for some innovation, particularly simplification, in the Linux space. And if this creates a usable alternative for people, so much the better. The first principle of GUIs is that there's been very little real innovation since the first demos at Xerox PARC at the Mother of All Demos 46 years ago ( https://en.wikipedia.o…
Did you mean to say Windows 8? I think Windows 7 is doing just fine, and the UI didn't really deviate from before.
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
#97I more or less completely dislike change in my desktop environment. That said, I think there's room for some innovation, particularly simplification, in the Linux space. And if this creates a usable alternative for people, so much the better. The first principle of GUIs is that there's been very little real innovation since the first demos at Xerox PARC at the Mother of All Demos 46 years ago ( https://en.wikipedia.o…
Did you mean to say Windows 8? I think Windows 7 is doing just fine, and the UI didn't really deviate from before.
My error then. I'd checked and thought Metro was associated with Win 7. I've used Windows so rarely in the past decade I'm not familiar with the specifics of which UI goes with which release. Though now that I think about it, I've seen Win 7 and it's more similar to the Win XP interface.
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
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Funny, I've been looking for something like ratpoison for a while, and though the name seems familiar, I had never tried it before. I'm using it now... I think my search is over :) Thank you!
You might also like i3. I tried many tiling window managers, and i3 is my favorite. Its "manual tiling" works well with my brain. Also see this comparison of tiling WMs: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Comparison_of_Tiling_Wi...
Thank you very much for your suggestion. I will try i3 in a few days -- once I know what ratpoison's and StumpWM's annoyances and strengths are.
Update: I lied. i3 looked too good to wait for so I tried it, and it feels a lot more natural. I'm quite certain this will be it!
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
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From your first link: "There is no explicit “Enable/Disable” button any more. We would like to promote the use of searching and feel that Baloo should never get in the users way. However, we are smart about it and IF you add your HOME directory to the list of “excluded folders”, Baloo will switch itself off since it no longer has anything to index." This philosophy is why I stopped using GNOME and now prefer Xfce. I'…
Yeah, the developer has a really strange take on indexing. I got into a bit of an argument about it with him on a bug tracker. Baloo had decided that it would index all of my data files which are huge (multiple GB) which was going poorly for it and for me. The system is a wrapper around Xapian ( http://xapian.org/ ) and Sqlite, as with any full text index when you try and put things which are huge into the index it i…
> EDIT: looks like 4.13.1 will also have a check box to disable Baloo!
FINALLY. Thanks for digging this up. Having no means of presently disabling it through the UI seems unnecessarily user-hostile.
> Baloo had decided that it would index all of my data files which are huge (multiple GB) which was going poorly for it and for me.
As I mentioned in my previous comment, Baloo seemed to happily go about its business indexing precisely everything I told it not to, even to the extent of ignoring child directories of those I specified in the ignored directory list. I suspect that was a bug, but considering the suggestion in lieu of a button to disable the feature was "just add your home directory and it'll do the right thing" (which didn't work) is counter productive.
Sigh.
I can understand being excited about a new feature and (possibly) being one of its only proponents, and occasionally something good surfaces from such thankless chores. But I sometimes have to wonder what the motivation is to staunchly defend decisions that seem rather... myopic. Ordinarily I wouldn't care, but pounding the heck out of partitions and NFS mounts to do something that I can do quickly and simply with grep and find is just insanity.
On the other hand, now I understand why xapian-core is listed as a dependency.
Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
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Funny, I've been looking for something like ratpoison for a while, and though the name seems familiar, I had never tried it before. I'm using it now... I think my search is over :) Thank you!
Take a look at StumpWM. IIRC it's done by the author of ratpoison. Bonus: If you're an Emacs user the interface/keyboard shortcuts should make you feel at home (or so I've heard).
Got into StumpWM about two months ago after living in tmux and emacsclient all day. Now I have a super minimalist desktop, all the key shortcuts I need (and mouse like I need, where as ratposion makes it a little too difficult), on the fly restart and command reload, Lisp, and oh my god so much flexibility.
Before that, I used XFCE. I have realized there is always another level of minimalism down from where you were before in Linux, until you hit the Linux console. But I love StumpWM. They might say it is not minimalist, but it is for me and it rocks my world.
I am going to hit submit and then hit a shortcut to open running term emulator and find my running mutt instance in tmux. Later full DE users.