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Popcorn Time Devs Drop Like Flies But No One Will Talk

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Re: Popcorn Time Devs Drop Like Flies But No One Will Talk

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It's bizarre to me that something awful is apparently being threatened against the developers, and yet new forks are not banned from github.

Im not sure how liberal Github is with banning project but I think a possible reason would be they don't want to terminate a project until they get a court order.

Right, and it surprises me that nobody's ordered Github to take them down, since they presumably ordered the project developers to stop.

Re: Popcorn Time Devs Drop Like Flies But No One Will Talk

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Im not sure how liberal Github is with banning project but I think a possible reason would be they don't want to terminate a project until they get a court order.

Right, and it surprises me that nobody's ordered Github to take them down, since they presumably ordered the project developers to stop.

This seems like the more straightforward way to try to kill the project: get Github to stop hosting it. You'd think with the right team of lawyers this would be do-able. There must be something interesting them preventing them from doing this, surely it'd be cheaper than dealing with developers one at a time.

Re: Popcorn Time Devs Drop Like Flies But No One Will Talk

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Those things are not refined. The primary innovation of Popcorn Time is that it lets you watch torrented movies without knowing the details of how it works. Having a movie being streamed from your computer (eating up battery) and then pushing it to a set top box (all of which are niche products at the moment) or hooking it up through HDMI cables and then having to find your laptop's power supply so you can plug it in…

Sounds like the "No True Napster" argument. Cd players had to be plugged into stereos and speakers, too. Do you recall how unfriendly CD burning software was in the 1990s?

Not that unfriendly for the time. I'll remind you that Napster itself would be considered a UX nightmare by today's standard but for the time it was used by ever high school and college student in the country. Standards change.

Re: Popcorn Time Devs Drop Like Flies But No One Will Talk

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> Saying that popcorn-time isn't napster for movies because people don't watch movies on their computer, they watch them on their tv isn't really different from saying that napster isn't napster for music because people don't listen to music on their computer, they listen to music on their stereo. This was my entire point. People didn't just listen to their Napster-downloaded music on their computer, they listened to…

People don't watch movies in the car, so that part doesn't matter. If you're trying to compare the ease of burning to portable media, tossing an mpeg on a thumb drive is easier and basically as cheap as buying CDs were back in the day. If your only point is that the movie is playing on the screen in the office and not the screen in the living room, I think you're vastly overestimating how much people care but it's no…

We do have data that says PC sales have been declining for the past several years and are being replaced by tablets. I'd wager that if movies are not being watched on television as much then they're being watched on iPads and other tablets, not laptops. Popcorn Time doesn't run on tablets.

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post #93

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Sounds like the "No True Napster" argument. Cd players had to be plugged into stereos and speakers, too. Do you recall how unfriendly CD burning software was in the 1990s?

Not that unfriendly for the time. I'll remind you that Napster itself would be considered a UX nightmare by today's standard but for the time it was used by ever high school and college student in the country. Standards change.

it's weird to me you are suggesting Napster was "refined" for it's time, but Apple TV and Chromecast are not currently. it seems like a double standard.

> If someone were to build Popcorn Time as an iPhone or Android app that streams to Chromecast / AppleTV

why does moving Popcorn Time from the desktop iOS environment to the mobile iOS environment suddenly make this more so much more viable? seems like a pretty insignificant detail if you ask me.

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post #94

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People don't watch movies in the car, so that part doesn't matter. If you're trying to compare the ease of burning to portable media, tossing an mpeg on a thumb drive is easier and basically as cheap as buying CDs were back in the day. If your only point is that the movie is playing on the screen in the office and not the screen in the living room, I think you're vastly overestimating how much people care but it's no…

We do have data that says PC sales have been declining for the past several years and are being replaced by tablets. I'd wager that if movies are not being watched on television as much then they're being watched on iPads and other tablets, not laptops. Popcorn Time doesn't run on tablets.

That's actually a good point; tablets have absolutely no utility for me and so I constantly forget that they exist, but lots of people aren't me and apparently think they're pretty great.

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Can you submit any evidence that a TV is anything more than a bigger computer screen? My TV has HDMI inputs; if I wanted to move my computer, I could hook my computer up to the TV. Apple has an accessory where the primary selling point (for me) is that it can bounce output from a computer to a TV. There's an entire family of computers where the entire point of them is to be hooked up to TVs and used as media centers.…

> Saying that popcorn-time isn't napster for movies because people don't watch movies on their computer, they watch them on their tv isn't really different from saying that napster isn't napster for music because people don't listen to music on their computer, they listen to music on their stereo. This was my entire point. People didn't just listen to their Napster-downloaded music on their computer, they listened to…

If it enables them to watch content, period, people will find a way.

The argument is honestly irrelevant. Popcorn time is a UX leap from what was previously possible. There may be another UX leap in the physical device on which the content is played, but you can't ignore the moon landing just because it didn't happen on Mars.

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post #93

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Sounds like the "No True Napster" argument. Cd players had to be plugged into stereos and speakers, too. Do you recall how unfriendly CD burning software was in the 1990s?

Not that unfriendly for the time. I'll remind you that Napster itself would be considered a UX nightmare by today's standard but for the time it was used by ever high school and college student in the country. Standards change.

They used it because it made content consumption possible. They did anything they could to get the content. There were all kinds of barriers: cables to connect your stereo (everyone did this), CD burning, file management, media players, corrupt files, bad connections, port forwarding details; the truth is it wasn't a great experience, it was simply possible for the vast majority of people to execute, and that was good enough.

Re: Popcorn Time Devs Drop Like Flies But No One Will Talk

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post #93

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Not that unfriendly for the time. I'll remind you that Napster itself would be considered a UX nightmare by today's standard but for the time it was used by ever high school and college student in the country. Standards change.

it's weird to me you are suggesting Napster was "refined" for it's time, but Apple TV and Chromecast are not currently. it seems like a double standard. > If someone were to build Popcorn Time as an iPhone or Android app that streams to Chromecast / AppleTV why does moving Popcorn Time from the desktop iOS environment to the mobile iOS environment suddenly make this more so much more viable? seems like a pretty insig…

Apple TV and Chromecast are refined when playing known-content (from apps). When playing content that is mirrored from a PC there is all sorts of problems. There can often be lag. It eats your PC battery so you have to go find the power supply and find a table to plug in your laptop while you're mirroring.

Re: Popcorn Time Devs Drop Like Flies But No One Will Talk

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post #65

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> Saying that popcorn-time isn't napster for movies because people don't watch movies on their computer, they watch them on their tv isn't really different from saying that napster isn't napster for music because people don't listen to music on their computer, they listen to music on their stereo. This was my entire point. People didn't just listen to their Napster-downloaded music on their computer, they listened to…

If it enables them to watch content, period, people will find a way. The argument is honestly irrelevant. Popcorn time is a UX leap from what was previously possible. There may be another UX leap in the physical device on which the content is played, but you can't ignore the moon landing just because it didn't happen on Mars.

It's a UX leap, certainly, but Napster was not just a UX leap, it was used by lots of regular people. Is PCT? Even within the subset of users that are torrenting movies, what percentage are doing that through PCT vs. downloading them for later?
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