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Re: Fog Creek's Intern Hiring Process

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Post by _pmf_ »

asafira wrote: post #43
scrumper wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MOST ANNOYING THING A weekend is plenty . You're an intern: there are many, many more of you to choose from. As you pointed out, nobody wants to waste time. The person that offered you the placement wants someone who wants to be there, not someone looking for an backup offer.

I am going to respectfully disagree. Just because the company can do it doesn't mean a weekend is plenty . You are given a weekend to decide where you might spend months of your life, potentially in a place you've never been. On top of that, who knows if that weekend was going to be extremely busy for you? Just because you take one week to decide on an offer doesn't mean you don't want to be there. It's also not at a…

> You are given a weekend to decide where you might spend months of your life, potentially in a place you've never been.

Well, I tend to think a bit about these matters before applying.

Re: Fog Creek's Intern Hiring Process

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Post by barry-cotter »

dlp211 wrote: post #89
sadfnjksdf wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never thought of Fog Creek that way before. In fact, I've always gotten the impression they were down-to-earth. But, that one shot of a spreadsheet in this post listing Brown, Rutgers, Princeton, Yale, etc. changed my mind. The other turnoff in this was the weeding out of candidates based on resumes. We hired an excellent employee out of a batch of horrid resumes- what a great hire, though.

I'm glad that you put Rutgers with the likes of Princeton et al, but it is the state university of NJ. So not everyone came from a prestigious school.

Rutgers is one of the seven members of the ivy league. I'm guessing it's pretty selective. If it's not at least eliteish like UC Berkeley or U Michigan something went badly wrong.

Re: Fog Creek's Intern Hiring Process

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Post by geebee »

dominotw wrote: post #24

Can't they atleast hire one person that didn't luck out by being born in a rich/middle class american family to go to ivy league universities. What is such complicated product that Fog Creek makes that it needs graduates from top 10 universities? Serious question.

This is an aside, but why do people use "ivy league" as synonymous with "top ten" in the world of software development?

At the graduate level, there are only two ivies in us news's top cs list

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-gradu...

I couldn't find specific CS rankings at the undergraduate level, but for engineering in general, the same thing (this time, only one ivy on the list, Cornell)

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/...

I understand that there are problems with methodology here, and I have no doubt that many ivy programs are excellent, but it's still strange that people would use "ivy league" as shorthand for elite CS programs.

My guess is that Fog Creek's perspective is heavily influenced by its east coast location? Also, general education tends to matter more for undergraduates, so it could be that the general prestige of the "ivies" is a bigger factor than the specialized nature of departments where it comes to raking graduate programs or specific majors.

Re: Fog Creek's Intern Hiring Process

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Post by dlp211 »

barry-cotter wrote: post #92
dlp211 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad that you put Rutgers with the likes of Princeton et al, but it is the state university of NJ. So not everyone came from a prestigious school.

Rutgers is one of the seven members of the ivy league. I'm guessing it's pretty selective. If it's not at least eliteish like UC Berkeley or U Michigan something went badly wrong.

I hate to burst you bubble, and I am glad that you believe that Rutgers is a part of the Ivy League[1], but I assure you it isn't. Rutgers admits nearly 61% of applicants in, and based on a cursory google search, UMich accepts about 37% and UC Berkeley accepts 18%.

Rutgers is The State University of NJ[2]. It is a very old institution (8th oldest), and that may be where the confusion comes from, since all the other Ivy's came from that time period.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League#Members [2] http://www.rutgers.edu/

Re: Fog Creek's Intern Hiring Process

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Post by barry-cotter »

dlp211 wrote: post #94
barry-cotter wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rutgers is one of the seven members of the ivy league. I'm guessing it's pretty selective. If it's not at least eliteish like UC Berkeley or U Michigan something went badly wrong.

I hate to burst you bubble, and I am glad that you believe that Rutgers is a part of the Ivy League[1], but I assure you it isn't. Rutgers admits nearly 61% of applicants in, and based on a cursory google search, UMich accepts about 37% and UC Berkeley accepts 18%. Rutgers is The State University of NJ[2]. It is a very old institution (8th oldest), and that may be where the confusion comes from, since all the other I…

I sit corrected.
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