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Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by apierre »

ekianjo wrote: post #76
archagon wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

> I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet. Haha. 1) Driving automatic cars is so boring. 2) it makes your body unbalanced constantly since you use a single foot, therefore your back will ache over long periods of driving. 3) You cannot adjust your speed as fast with an automatic car, we are stuck with binary controls while manual cars provide all the flexibility you need in real, and criti…

Well driving with an automatic in London traffic jam is much more comfortable than not being able to shift beyond 2nd gear ;-)

I have a Golf with a 7 speed DSG gearbox and trust me, in sport mode, you can have amazing and smooth acceleration.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by baddox »

ekianjo wrote: post #76
archagon wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

> I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet. Haha. 1) Driving automatic cars is so boring. 2) it makes your body unbalanced constantly since you use a single foot, therefore your back will ache over long periods of driving. 3) You cannot adjust your speed as fast with an automatic car, we are stuck with binary controls while manual cars provide all the flexibility you need in real, and criti…

Regarding point 2, long freeway drives will still be just as unbalanced with either transmission, or if you have cruise control, more balanced.

Regarding point 3, is that really true to an extent that would actually matter for ordinary driving?

Re: Apple CarPlay

#93

Post by josephlord »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #74
Marazan wrote: post #63

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I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet. That's because automatic transmission is the worst and invented by the devil. More seriously, using an automatic transmission results in trade-offs, for instance fuel usage was the historical number 1 sticking point with automatics guzzling up the petrol compared to manuals. Modern engineering has closed that gap but there are still issues related t…

I used to think automatics were horrible (I live in the UK, drove manual for 15 years) then I got one... In terms of fuel economy, isn't it just a matter of time before automatics become as economical (then probably more economical) than manuals? Even without anticipating future events? Driving efficiently feels like something a computer could optimise for and that a human has no natural advantage doing.

A traditional automatic with a torque converter will always be less efficient I but the newer dual clutch models can probably match (or even exceed through better gear selection) the efficiency of manuals.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by Marazan »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #74
Marazan wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet. That's because automatic transmission is the worst and invented by the devil. More seriously, using an automatic transmission results in trade-offs, for instance fuel usage was the historical number 1 sticking point with automatics guzzling up the petrol compared to manuals. Modern engineering has closed that gap but there are still issues related t…

I used to think automatics were horrible (I live in the UK, drove manual for 15 years) then I got one... In terms of fuel economy, isn't it just a matter of time before automatics become as economical (then probably more economical) than manuals? Even without anticipating future events? Driving efficiently feels like something a computer could optimise for and that a human has no natural advantage doing.

Without being able to determine future road conditions then automatics can't guarantee being in the "right" gear for the up coming section of road. Be that due to traffic, grading, weather, banking, sharpness of corner etc.

My go to example is the insanity of junction 15 of the m8, that loop onto the west bound motorway is a 270 degree corkscrew rising 30 feet with a diameter of 55 yards onto a 5 lane motorway where I need to go from the left hand lane to the right hand lane (as there are entrance and exit lanes on both the inside and outside of the motorway at that point). A current automatic engine wouldn't know what was the right thing to do in that situation ( https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.8672951,-4.2358853,374m/da... )

To determine all of that you'd basically be at the level of self-driving car. Which would be awesome.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by lutusp »

baddox wrote: post #89
ekianjo wrote: post #73

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> going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. Not to discuss your other points, but who are you to say the human brain has evolved or not to deal with X or Y ? The human brain is actually very capable of dealing with multiple sensory signals, and the fact that most people can drive cars on motorways without crashing in each other's every 2 seconds suggest that the human brain is perf…

He is accidentally technically correct. Saying that "the human brain evolved to do x" implies that evolution has purpose or intention, which is not the case.

> He is accidentally technically correct. Saying that "the human brain evolved to do x" implies that evolution has purpose or intention, which is not the case.

But to say that human behavior evolved to meet a specific environmental requirement isn't a purpose, it's an outcome that allowed the genotype to procreate. It's a gray area and one must be careful speaking of goals, but if one is addressing a specific adaptation to meet a specific environmental requirement, it's all right.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by frik »

jamesjguthrie wrote: post #57

I'd like to see this available in a double-DIN sized unit that could be fitted in any car. Instead of it only being available in 2014+ cars.

Sadly, this standard that was once common, is going away.

Inbuilt car audio, navigation and entertainment systems age very badly. Seeing a car with a CD or even a cassette drive feels very dated. (the iOS Carplay photos feature a slot CD drive, very old-school for Apple the re-inventor of the mp3 player - the iPod)

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by josephlord »

li-ch wrote: post #86

Apple map is still scarily inaccurate [1,2,3]. Why should I or anyone risk this in the car? [1] http://bgr.com/2013/09/25/apple-maps-disaster-runway/ [2] http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/new... [3] http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/11/new-clas...

Firstly if the road sign says no entry don't go down it because the sat nav says to, there are plenty of mistakes in all sat navs and maps and even if there weren't there are changes they can't keep up with, roadworks etc.

I wondered what sort of international airport can you drive onto the runway of without being stopped so I looked it up:

http://dot.alaska.gov/faiiap/pdfs/GA_Control_Surf.pdf

It's the Alaskan sort secured by yellow lines and red signs. Now I'm not saying Apple isn't at fault here but I would put greater blame on the airport. I would expect if not manned or electronic gates with an intercom at least there should be a barrier the of some sort to act as a warning. I'm not sure signs and lines are enough for something like an airport.

I guess being Alaska manning gates/opening windows or getting out of cars are seriously unappealing activities in the Winter.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by furyofantares »

mbel wrote: post #53
josteink wrote: post #46

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Carplay seems to be just Apple reinventing the wheel. To be fair, that's basically Apple's business models. Just add some proprietary standards and some software patents and you are good to go.

Yeah, I'm absolutely aware of this; it just seems to be so wasteful from engineering point of view.

A drop in the bucket. Thinking just about code, the amount of redundant code or code that will never ship or will only ship to a few people or will be replaced in 5 years must be enormous

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by panacea »

li-ch wrote: post #86

Apple map is still scarily inaccurate [1,2,3]. Why should I or anyone risk this in the car? [1] http://bgr.com/2013/09/25/apple-maps-disaster-runway/ [2] http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/new... [3] http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/11/new-clas...

I don't understand why Apple hasn't purchased Foresquare.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by collyw »

annnnd wrote: post #79
josteink wrote: post #46

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Carplay seems to be just Apple reinventing the wheel. To be fair, that's basically Apple's business models. Just add some proprietary standards and some software patents and you are good to go.

This comment is a bit dismissive. Can you really claim that for iPod, iPhone and iPad? Sure, every invention is based on work of others, but Apple has still made huge improvements on multiple areas.

Marketing and gaining widespread adoption seem to be the areas that Apple excels at. In most cases where something is heralded as "revolutionary" by Apple, it has been done before. Maybe not as well or as polished, but usually it has been done before.
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