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A letter from Paper (FiftyThree) to Paper (Facebook)

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Re: A letter from Paper (FiftyThree) to Paper (Facebook)

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This app is very unrelated to Facebook as we know it: our friends and their content. That is just one part of the app. It's more a curated news app on the whole.

Either Facebook released this as a project their engineers did to test out interfaces or they are collecting data from this app about what is shared and what content is viewed to improve their own feed algorithms.

Re: A letter from Paper (FiftyThree) to Paper (Facebook)

#92
The actual app titles from the App Store seem different enough to me, and I'm a huge fan of FiftyThree.

Paper by FiftyThree (FiftyThree, Inc.)

Paper - stories from Facebook (Facebook, Inc.)

Another distinction to keep in mind is FiftyThree's Paper is iPad only and Facebook's is iPhone only (although it will install on iPad).

Re: A letter from Paper (FiftyThree) to Paper (Facebook)

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And 'facebook' is original? FB's legal team has a hernia anytime someone on the web uses face or book, perhaps they should take their own advice? If it continues it might be funny for 53 to release Paper Facebook.

"Facebook" is also pretty generic, but when you have enough well paid lawyers these things matter less. Also, it is very unlikely that Facebook is attempting to benefit from 53's brand. Facebook wanted to call their product something descriptive, and the names collided. Compare this to any name involving "Facebook", which likely is attempting to benefit. Outside of a directly competing service, it's unlikely that the…

Facebook was completely generic. Facebook used to be term for the paperback student profile books that universities produced. Facebook the website started as an electronic version of the paper facebooks.

Re: A letter from Paper (FiftyThree) to Paper (Facebook)

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What about something like "Square?" That's about as generic as it gets, yet is there any question as to what someone is referring to when they are talking about "Square" in the context of an app?

oh you mean the guys that make the Final Fantasy games for iOS.

Nah, that's Squeenix

Re: A letter from Paper (FiftyThree) to Paper (Facebook)

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Can both not exist? I don't see how there could be overlap or confusion from potential customers.

"I always use Paper on my ipad for all my pictures, you should check it out" Which app would you download from the appstore ?

I would be confused about why you are putting a piece of paper on top of your iPad.

Re: A letter from Paper (FiftyThree) to Paper (Facebook)

#97

Pfft. What a silly request. This is an entirely different application. Should we expect an upcoming blog post from 53 complaining that Crayola has released a new product entitled "Pencil"? If you want to protect your name, use a protectable name. If you're going to use an entirely generic name then deal with it... wait hang on... Dunder Mifflin just called... they want their name back too. Cool company, great product…

Insofar as FiftyThree is merely making a polite request as a matter of professional courtesy rather than threatening legal action, then I don't think your criticism applies. They didn't get nasty about it, they didn't cite some bizarre legal arguments where they claimed to forever own the word Paper. They just made a cordial request. I think that's entirely reasonable and makes them come across very good in this situ…

seems more like a "I'm about to go apeshit on your ass" blogpost. Understandable though.

Re: A letter from Paper (FiftyThree) to Paper (Facebook)

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Making a cordial request about it to Facebook is one thing; publicizing it (probably in an effort to shame Facebook) is another.

There's a very real possibility that FiftyThree is going to get impacted in all kinds of searches because of this. I don't begrudge them for taking advantage of a marketing opportunity that will get written about in the media that they'd be fools to not take advantage of. Their business could conceivably be on the line. You're certainly free to disagree or feel all the sympathy you want to for Facebook here, but I do…

These are the risks of choosing a product name that is one of the most common items in the world. The benefits are familiarity and comfort; the risk is that anyone can start using it.

Re: A letter from Paper (FiftyThree) to Paper (Facebook)

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People are going to call the app by Facebook "Facebook Paper" because "Paper" is simply too generic. 53's drawing app name is not strong either. Their iOS app is not called "Paper", but "Paper by FiftyThree". Their icon is not of paper, but of a napkin style rendering of "53". For all intents, the drawing simulation brand name is "FiftyThree". There was a brief moment in history when people thought "I wonder if 53 wa…

Whenever I hear the name "Paper" in a mobile / tablet context, I immediately think of 53, and I don't even have an iPad. If Facebook Paper is successful, that will no longer be the case (but it will hurt my perception of Facebook Paper in the meantime). That said, I don't think 53 can claim any exclusive rights to the name, and I'm happy to see they haven't - they have just asked with exquisite politeness.

Whenever I hear the name "Paper" in a mobile / tablet context, I immediately think of 53, and I don't even have an iPad.

If I took ten people off the street, in San Francisco itself, and asked them who made an iPhone app called "Paper" a majority would probably already tell me Facebook. Perhaps one of them would know of 53, and probably not by name. Being in the mobile software community, we know of a lot of "successful mobile apps" that are not household names. I like and use 53's Paper, but 53 is not Exxon, GE, or Facebook. My friends and family have almost certainly never heard of it. A hundred million unverified global downloads does not equal a hundred million people who remember what your poorly branded, generically named app is called. I usually think of it as "that coffee stain icon with a generic name". Honestly, 53 might do better renaming it "53". Or "Studio 53" if they wanted to skim off of another brand that probably won't fight back.

Paper by FiftyThree is a good product, but a poor choice of name, and I still can't figure out why their app icon says "53" instead of "Paper".

That said, I don't think 53 can claim any exclusive rights to the name, and I'm happy to see they haven't - they have just asked with exquisite politeness.

No. 53 needs to claim exclusivity, claim that there is no possibility of confusion, or live with the reality that if people start calling Facebook Paper just "Paper", that Facebook will legally be able to prevent 53 from using the term. With trademarks it doesn't matter who has been using it longer, only who successfully enforces it.

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