Geeks mocking bros while pretending to be tolerant and inclusive. Classic HN. Let's see you make fun of African American Vernacular English next.
Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only
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Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only
#92I've often wished for something like this. Most of us learn by example. I fear that the humor in it, much as I like humor, is a mistake. First, it comes across as a gender troll. Any technical attention the tool receives will be smothered by that avalanche. (Exhibit A: this thread.) More importantly, it impedes how the tool needs to work: get to the point immediately and cut everything else. Man pages may be Byzantin…
> I'd say the same about the upvoting and downvoting stuff that appears in there: it's extraneous and distracting.
It's a sorting mechanism. This is basically like Urban Dictionary but for Unix.
But yeah, it would be nice to hide the instructions after every single entry.
Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're shitting us right? Manpages referred to man uals , not men . But given that I'm obviously swimming against the tide here at HN I'll just cave ..... Word, brah! Like, totally right on! We should be making like 'sispages' next with like only explanations and shit. Get it? For like the sissy-grammers! Awesome dude. You da bomb!
Yes, I was kidding about 'man', but my point is that 'bro' isn't that exclusionary. In fact, I think the problem here is that a lot of geeks don't like 'bros' and I am doubting that they're hated by women as much. Personal opinion here, but: a lot of women have friends that are bros; a lot fewer geeks have friends that are bros.
Curious that you seem to think that women and geeks are mutually exclusive groups...
Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
The name is ironic and whimsical. I don't see what the problem is. I'm puzzled by people (and I don't necessarily mean the parent in this specific sub-thread, but everybody who has raised concerns over the name in the thread) who seem to think that if a name has any perceived negative connotation whatsoever it should not be used. Would you make the same judgement call with regard to, say, Dogecoin?
Dogecoin has a negative connotation?
Some argue [weasel words] that using pictures of animals for humor (i.e. dog memes) is degrading to those animals. You can stretch this into an argument that maybe the Shiba Inu in the doge photo didn't want to have his picture captioned with imagined dog thinking (which, come to think of it, is degrading too — what if white people made an internet meme in which they "imitate" how black people think?)
Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only
#95I'm loving these social experiments! Reminds me of gorgasm.
Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bro transcends a single very new and very narrowly-distributed usage.
I think a lot of people are familiar with the term. It is not a compliment. See http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bro . "Obnoxious partying males who are often seen at college parties." "An alpha male idiot. This is the derogatory sense of the word (common usage in the western US): white, 16-25 years old, inarticulate, belligerent, talks about nothing but chicks and beer" "A usually white young male, fou…
Anything to do with gender on urban dictionary has been vote brigaded by feminist blogs for years now.
See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=man
Here's the number one entry:
Things With Penises who tell women anything just to get intercorse
"timmy is like most men he tells tina he loves her so he can get ass then he never speaks to her again."
The number two entry is about how real men love feminism and have big dicks, seemingly as a result. Apparently men who don't love feminism aren't men at all and have small dicks.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feminist
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misandry
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=masculinity
The site hasn't been 'urban' for a while.
Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only
#97Is the "bro" intended to be ironic, or are the creators actually not aware that the term is used to represent the worst (most misogynistic, most crass, least mature, least dependable) people currently flocking to the industry? It is by its very definition exclusionary. I suppose "brogrammers" might be a target audience, but the concept of the tool itself is pretty good for just about anyone. Shame about the name.
It's a play on words. This oversensitive, over analytical take on sexuality is getting old. What would you have preferred, the hu-man pages? But that would be exclusionary to people in the industry who don't consider themselves human! What next, are you going to suggest that parents name their children gender neutral names so they don't have to chaff at it if they change gender? You can infer everything, from anythin…
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Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only
#98Is the "bro" intended to be ironic, or are the creators actually not aware that the term is used to represent the worst (most misogynistic, most crass, least mature, least dependable) people currently flocking to the industry? It is by its very definition exclusionary. I suppose "brogrammers" might be a target audience, but the concept of the tool itself is pretty good for just about anyone. Shame about the name.
Indeed, man is short for manual. It has nothing to do with men, or beards or bros crushing code. The term "bro" when it comes to programming really needs to go away.
Are you familiar with the humorous device known as the pun?
Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only
#99Great idea; shame about the name.
Here's the problem with using words like "bro" (however jokingly): the problem is not with what you[0] are thinking when you read the word "bro", but with what other people, especially newcomers, are thinking. The locker-room atmosphere that stuff like this creates is a huge barrier to entry for a lot of people, women especially, who infer that on top of all the technically difficult stuff that everyone has to learn to be CS types, they'll also have to deal with a constant barrage of "you're not our kind" flung at them by the in-group. You personally may not be intending that as your message, but I assure you that your personal intent does not matter when you are using language that has been associated with exclusion and discrimination.[1]
The problem here, if this program is actually intended to be used, is that just typing in the command would be a constant reminder of an entire subculture that is widely seen as[2] putting up walls and doors that say "NO GIЯLS ALOUD" around the programming profession, an attempt to preserve privilege. Those of you suggesting an alias are either being disingenuous or missing the point entirely.
[0] Meaning individuals, of whatever gender/race/class/whatever, that are likely to be reading HN.
[1] If you don't believe me, ponder for a moment sentences like, "But I like Negroes just fine!" Language matters.
[2] Again, you might not mean to reference that when you use words like "brogrammer". But it's how an awful lot of us read it.
EDIT: Rereading other posts on this page, I should add that I almost certainly got the phrase "shame about the name" stuck in my head from reading dewitt's post. Four words, such a concise summary of my attitude! :)
EDIT 2: "they'll have" -> "that everyone has" to clarify argument. Thx vezzy-fnord.
Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only
#100If you are getting that upset about the use of the word bro you have bigger problems
Actually no. Perpetuating the "boys only" impression many programmers seem to want to cultivate is bad. The name is exclusionary, and a poor joke.