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Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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post #87

Why do you have to live in San Francisco city itself. There are many places in the Bay Area more affordable than San Francisco.

they're pretty close to the price of SF. else, please mention one that is less than an hour of commute away.

You can get a 2bed for $1k in east bay richmond :p

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

#92
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, really? I'm living in Scandinavia and looking to move elsewhere. Midwest was one of my options, and I had never thought winters were so bad over there!

Good idea of what it looks like in St Louis: http://weatherspark.com/averages/31697/St-Louis-Missouri-Uni... Humidity was always the killer for me. I remember flying from San Diego to St. Louis. It was 75 degrees and dry in San Diego, and 102 degrees with 94% humidity in St. Louis. I wanted to die, heh That said, I always liked the variety. It means that I have pretty strong, nostalgic feelings associated with the se…

Oh, variety is good. Weather here in Denmark is so plain and boring. The only remarkable season is May-July, thanks to the long days and relatively warm weather.

I totally agree humidity is horrible. I've stayed a few summers in The Hamptons, Long Island---and humidity was a killer. I cannot imagine coping with 102 F / 94%.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Right now it is noon in St. Louis and 19 degrees. Right now it is 10:00 in SF and 53 degrees. I think weather plays a large part in why people like to live in the Bay Area. Many refer to the high cost of living here as the "sun tax." As I sit in my office wearing shorts and a t-shirt, I can't even fathom living in St. Louis.

I would also add that people the bay area in general, have a "let's get it done" attitude. In the south and mid west people are a lot more laid back and generally more interested in football, Bud light/Miller light/Coors light and liberal bashing rather than putting in all-nighters. It was an eye opening change when I moved to the SF bay area. I maybe an exception to the stereotypical software engineer, but I work be…

Not my experience. We may look laid back, but a lot of folks in the Midwest grew up around "get it done now" jobs. I see the attitude keeps even in other jobs not as time critical. It's a learned habit.

Out of politeness I'll leave you beer, etc. comments alone.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

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Right now it is noon in St. Louis and 19 degrees. Right now it is 10:00 in SF and 53 degrees. I think weather plays a large part in why people like to live in the Bay Area. Many refer to the high cost of living here as the "sun tax." As I sit in my office wearing shorts and a t-shirt, I can't even fathom living in St. Louis.

In the Toronto area this week, temperatures are about -20 degrees Celsius (-4 F) with 40-60 km/h (25-40 mph) wind. ;)

Cold winters always gave me time to do more coding so I could enjoy the summer more, but I'm in North Dakota these days so I might have a odd view of cold.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

#96
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good idea of what it looks like in St Louis: http://weatherspark.com/averages/31697/St-Louis-Missouri-Uni... Humidity was always the killer for me. I remember flying from San Diego to St. Louis. It was 75 degrees and dry in San Diego, and 102 degrees with 94% humidity in St. Louis. I wanted to die, heh That said, I always liked the variety. It means that I have pretty strong, nostalgic feelings associated with the se…

Oh, variety is good. Weather here in Denmark is so plain and boring. The only remarkable season is May-July, thanks to the long days and relatively warm weather. I totally agree humidity is horrible. I've stayed a few summers in The Hamptons, Long Island---and humidity was a killer. I cannot imagine coping with 102 F / 94%.

Yeah, 102 wasn't normal. It just stuck out most in my mind because it was pretty literally seared into my brain, and the contrast to cali didn't help :)

I cycled twenty or thirty miles a day pretty consistently and it never ceased to amaze me how quickly my shirt would become a sopping wet rag the second I stopped

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

#97
post #18

The current San Francisco influx is unsustainable. If you're somewhere else in the world and thinking about coming here to do a startup, I wish I could convince you to change your mind. San Francisco is incredibly expensive. Rents have shot up by ~50% since 2008, office space is following the same trend, and competition for (even mediocre) programmers is intense. Worse, a lot of the cultural diversity that made San F…

Your comment about "artisinal grilled cheese" earned my upvote. Who knew such a thing existed? Better yet: why?

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

#98

The problem with these places is what happens, when you need to hire people to build your company. The tech world is full of impressionistic statements like 'they have a startup scene,' but when you start getting numbers on available talent, you'll see you're putting yourself in a bad position. To take an example where I have better data, people have commented on the vibrant and growing startup scene in Santiago, Chi…

That's why you offer relocation. If a startup has a cool mission, a cool tech stack, -and- operates in an area with a low cost of living, low congestion, and plenty of culture, art, and restaurant variety/quality, it can compete quite nicely with yet another Silicon Valley company when it comes to attracting talent.

Relocation for a startup? If your startup employer fails, you are stuck in a city far away from your support network. If you chanced a startup in the city you lived in, at least you could recover quickly, get a new job, whatever.

Relocation can work well for more established companies (and even then, two body problems often kill that), but it doesn't make sense at all for a semi-risky startup.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

#99
post #87

Why do you have to live in San Francisco city itself. There are many places in the Bay Area more affordable than San Francisco.

they're pretty close to the price of SF. else, please mention one that is less than an hour of commute away.

Pleasant Hill is cheap, I've heard.

Re: Why I'm Moving My Business From San Francisco To St. Louis

#100

St. Louis is great. I wouldn't live there. It's very similar, at least in my experience, to my hometown of Memphis. The Italian food is obviously better, but we have barbecue. :) America has a lot of great cities. They all don't have the technical talent level that San Francisco has, but good culture is not monopolized in San Francisco.

> The Italian food is obviously better, but we have barbecue.

St. Louis (and much of the midwest/south) also has a very high obesity rate compared to SF.

I would visit Memphis as a kid living in Mississippi. I could at least say that Memphis was better than anywhere in Mississippi :)

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