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Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by ctdonath »

evan_ wrote: post #90
ctdonath wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an issue of where the protesters are, it's who the protesters are. I'm getting increasingly concerned that (USA in particular) police focus on staying out of the way and, so long as things don't escalate much, letting the situation run its course ... while documenting the participants by any means, so they can be individually & quietly apprehended & prosecuted later. Cell phone metadata, face recognition fro…

> while documenting the participants by any means, so they can be individually & quietly apprehended & prosecuted later. Has this happened?

I don't know per se. I've heard some vague references to it. Main point is it's so possible & compelling I'm having a hard time believing it's not happening. Some things are, in fact, not well known despite our firehose-style media.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by ilbe »

eswat wrote: post #84
ilbe wrote: post #82

Ukraine is a democracy. Why not vote for the other guy next time? How does it make sense to go out and burn and break things instead.

Because it isn’t really a democracy; the amount of corruption hasn’t really changed at all since The Orange Revolution[1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution

From that very article, "Yushchenko was declared the official winner and with his inauguration on 23 January 2005 in Kiev, the Orange Revolution ended." Democracy worked.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by corin_ »

evan_ wrote: post #90
ctdonath wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an issue of where the protesters are, it's who the protesters are. I'm getting increasingly concerned that (USA in particular) police focus on staying out of the way and, so long as things don't escalate much, letting the situation run its course ... while documenting the participants by any means, so they can be individually & quietly apprehended & prosecuted later. Cell phone metadata, face recognition fro…

> while documenting the participants by any means, so they can be individually & quietly apprehended & prosecuted later. Has this happened?

It's certainly known that they do the tracking part - in the UK as long as a decades ago you'd see police at demonstrations with cameras catching as many faces as possible (and weren't secretive about their purposes). What they then did with that information could range on a scale from nothing to conspiracy theory level, I'm not sure.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by hythloday »

ck2 wrote: post #76
Trufa wrote: post #50

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I'm sorry, but it's cute when Americans think they have it worse.

I think it's "cute" when people in other countries can actually fight the police. If there was even the smallest "attack" on police in the US, every person at the riot would be dead, beaten and imprisoned, or hunted down, which is why this never happens fortunately.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots#Escalation

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by ck2 »

hythloday wrote: post #96
ck2 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's "cute" when people in other countries can actually fight the police. If there was even the smallest "attack" on police in the US, every person at the riot would be dead, beaten and imprisoned, or hunted down, which is why this never happens fortunately.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots#Escalation

Um, stonewall was nearly 50 years ago.

Have you seen the police at demonstrations this decade? They are para-military equiped. Body armor, fully automatic weapons, even mini-tanks from decommissioned iraq/afghan military use. I am not exaggerating.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by hga »

micheljansen wrote: post #85
mrev19 wrote: post #79

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that idea comes from art of war

Yep, from Sun Tzu's Art of War: "When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard." -- http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html I think this is also the first time I've heard it quoted in an appropriate context, as opposed to business blabla.

Also comes up in discussing the types of ground. "Death" or "desperate" ground is where you fight at all costs, since otherwise the cost is death.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by crpatino »

ilbe wrote: post #93
eswat wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it isn’t really a democracy; the amount of corruption hasn’t really changed at all since The Orange Revolution[1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution

From that very article, "Yushchenko was declared the official winner and with his inauguration on 23 January 2005 in Kiev, the Orange Revolution ended." Democracy worked.

I suppose you must come from a country where rampant corruption is the norm to understand what "declared the official winner" actually means.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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Post by nodata »

micheljansen wrote: post #85
mrev19 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that idea comes from art of war

Yep, from Sun Tzu's Art of War: "When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard." -- http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html I think this is also the first time I've heard it quoted in an appropriate context, as opposed to business blabla.

To quote coolsubmission on reddit:

This does not mean that the enemy is to be allowed to escape. The object, as Tu Mu puts it, is "to make him believe that there is a road to safety, and thus prevent his fighting with the courage of despair." Tu Mu adds pleasantly: "After that, you may crush him."

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