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Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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So how's your militant MRA cult going?

What?

Animus9 is an obvious mens rights advocate.

They are indistinguishable from trolls; the only difference being that they believe the stuff they say.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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you mean to run a "competitive company" you have to abuse your employees? I know a lot of companies that are the best in their business and never have to. It is just unfortunate for India that our so-called IT Industry is just marketing itself as cheap and easy-to-abuse labour.

>>you mean to run a "competitive company" you have to abuse your employees? Not at all, but to be a "competitive company" you have to be "competitive" which is essentially doing better than your competition. The issue is someone is always willing to put more effort than you/your company. This is where it all breaks down. This is exactly what makes our profession so much sought after. Because at some point you can mak…

I work in the enterprise world with a few major Indian consulting companies.

Their European sites always have problems trying to force the Indian work style on the European workers.

Somehow their managers keep forgetting our work laws.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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You sound like you don't believe there is any significant gender bias or sexism in the tech field. Is that what you think?

And you think it's by putting every message under the "I am a woman, look, I can code too!" will actually change whatever gender bias there may be in a positive way ? On the contrary, I think it goes in the wrong way, by highlighting the wrong differences instead of the common points no matter the genders.

Why not? This is an industry with precious few role models outside of heterosexual white males. Highlighting the fact that it is, indeed, possible to succeed in this field without being a member of this category is good, and encourages more diversity. It may even, you know, be a motivating factor for some.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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There is nothing about programming computers that is gender specific; in fact it seems kind of weird and awkward that we have to discuss this at all. Given that so many of the foundational figures of the field ( Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, etc. ) were female, the fact that programming and IT became an almost entirely male-dominated profession is suspicious, and should make us question the attitudes and social constru…

( Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, etc. ) I think the problem is that we always name these two . Ada Lovelace died 161 years ago. Is she really all that relevant a role model for girls today?

Well, with the combined factors of WWII keeping the men busy, and the general conception around that time that "computing" was boring data-entry work -- and so, fit for women -- the fact that those handful of pioneering women (Hopper et al) were alive around early/mid 20th century isn't coincidence. The last real "wave" of women programmers has long been over..

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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I run a private education organization that teaches kids how to code at a physical facility, and we get a gender breakup of male and female students that is similar to that of the industry (around 80 - 20). Because of the overwhelming male presence, it is difficult to make a comfortable learning environment for the female students, who may often feel uncomfortable, at odds with, or ostracized by pseudo-masculine effo…

Isn't there a way how to teach those adolescent males to behave like humans? If their behavior is that bad that it makes uncomfortable learning environment for other students, then it needs to be addressed. I'm woman and my experience is that most adolescent males are not apes and are able to act like human. Separating them by gender is accepting bad behavior as norm when it actually is not a norm. Young polite males…

I don't think you're thinking young enough. When's the last time you tried to control an impulsive 6th grader?

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Tongue in cheek, but I think there might be a point here struggling to see the light of day... Why? I mean, why would women want to get into coding? If one is not already working with computers, from the outside world, its a crappy job, and the money isn't better than many other things. Not to mention the insane hours culture. Women have a clean sheet choice. Why work in an office, killing your brain on hugely comple…

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Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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It's very simple for me: From 20s to 30s most women are having babies, because it's the only time on their lives when they can do it safely. They can go startuping later. Male coders on their 20s are mostly coding and brofounding because they don't have a better thing to do. IMHO It's even not such a good idea to go having babies at this age for a male because you are mostly broke all the time and you are still a tee…

Please note there are age related discrimination problems in our area of work. And frankly speaking when you talk of management you are talking of glorified desk supervisors and when you talk of architects you are talking of UML-drawing clueless people in semi-managerial roles. Almost anything that requires solving hard engineering problems like scalability, quality you will again get back long hour working engineeri…

>And frankly speaking when you talk of management you are talking of glorified desk supervisors

No, I think you should fire your manager :)

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Yes exactly. I'm a bit fed up with people advocating more women in . As far as I can tell these same people don't complain that teachers and nurses jobs are mainly occupied by women. Everybody seem to agree that a nursing job is not attractive for most men. Maybe the reason that women are few in tech is because these professions are not attractive to them.

Never in my life I've seen an article named I'm teacher and I'm a male! ; Life as a male nurse ; etc .. I think these articles are mainly link-bait for pageviews, nothing more.

> Never in my life I've seen an article named I'm teacher and I'm a male!; Life as a male nurse; etc..

http://healthcareers.about.com/od/nursingcareers/tp/Male-Nur...

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/08/22/confessions-of-a-mal...

http://www.nursetogether.com/i-am-a-male-nurse

http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/06/male-nurse-so-what/

http://www.modernmedicine.com/modern-medicine/news/life-male...

http://dwilliam.hubpages.com/hub/My-Life-As-A-Nurse-in-Retro...

http://www.nursebuff.com/2011/11/male-nurses-on-defying-ster...

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/02/25/male-nurses-make-m...

http://nursingfirst.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/the-life-of-a-m...

http://www.nursingtimes.net/why-are-there-so-few-men-in-nurs...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-145183/More-men-wo...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_nursing

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9849976/T...

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/record-numbers-of-men-tea...

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/il2il/im_a_male_kinder...

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/men-teach-elementary-school/sto...

http://timlondinium.wordpress.com/

http://www.thelocal.de/20121025/45767

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-14748273

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2008/sep/30/primaryscho...

If only there were some sort of website you could use to find web pages by entering relevant keywords...

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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>>Our solution was to simply make a small set of our classes for girls only. Your solution will make the problem worse. Because nothing will really change in the way boys work, and you will see the same late night, whole night, full weekend culture among them. Girl's classes will see a far little attendance totally detached from culture in the other part of world. Soon the rewards will dry out and move towards crazy…

I think you missed the description of my organization - we're not doing professional development. We're training kids on how to better access technology, and quite frankly people on HN don't really understand what our atmosphere is like. Girls and the parents of girls really appreciate our all-girls classes and events, they have excellent attendance and the girls really come together as a community. I honestly couldn…

I can understand purely from an academic perspective- attending classes, passing tests, completing assignments. But again this model breaks down in the real world.

One must really treat engineering as a practice and not as a degree. More like law and medicine.

Throughout India, girls outscore boys in nearly every exam. Somehow that doesn't last at workplaces.

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