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The Death Of Expertise

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Re: The Death Of Expertise

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Death of expertise? Not of real expertise. This author intentionally conflates his expertise in "public policy" with expertise in other fields such as science, and concludes that a failure to acknowledge his authority is no different from rejecting the authority of a real scientist. Like the proof that 0 = 1 by including a step where you divide by zero, his argument relies on the fallacy that expertise is all the sam…

When you refuse to acknowledge the value of expertise in a field, you are effectively discrediting the entire field. You really think you know just as much as someone who has studied it for their entire adult life? The only way that can possibly be is if there's nothing to be learned about it. You may think you understand a topic, but you really have a narrow view of it. You understand your own point of view, but not…

Well it's possible for people to obtain negative learning, e.g. learning things that are false.

I would consider anyone who studies Marxism to be in this category.

For most people, it is a blend of positive knowledge, and the political prejudice of their discipline, so one should neither reject or blindly accept the views of an "expert" in the social sciences.

My PhD is in economics, and I would love to be able to pull rank on people who talk about "buying locally" or putting people before profits. But there is no way to consistently enable such rank pulling, since there is a Professor of Marxist Economics somewhere would could accuse me of being ignorant of 100 years of Marxist thought, and give me 1000 books to read before I'm qualified to speak on the topic.

So the only way forward is to reach out to the public and convince them that one's discipline knows the truth.

Re: The Death Of Expertise

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> There was once a time when presidents would win elections and then scour universities and think-tanks for a brain trust; that’s how Henry Kissinger, Samuel Huntington, Zbigniew Brzezinski and others ended up in government service while moving between places like Harvard and Columbia. I find it interesting that he mentions these controversial figures. It seems to me while he does present interesting arguments for th…

On ethics and international relations, my previous post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7071033

Re: The Death Of Expertise

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Opposing an "appeal to authority" is not the claim that "all opinions have equal weight", it's that "all opinions should be heard ." Ideas aren't weighed, anyhow, they're either falsified, or not. If you cannot explain your idea to an intelligent layman then this is prima facie evidence that you do not understand it yourself.

Like when that pseudointellectual tried to explain the theory of relativity. Anyone with intuition would know it was bullshit.

It's hardly fair to allude to one of the deepest theories we have. Besides which, in all such cases, there are many popular works available for explanatory purposes.

Re: The Death Of Expertise

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I remember the moment when I opened my mind to the possibility that some immunizations may not be right for my family. It was when I found out doctors get paid to push them.

It used to be you were the only one paying your professional.

Now when I go to see a professional I can't be passive. I have to participate and be active in every decision. Because now I never know if I'm the only customer or if there is some other party to the transaction.

I want to be the only one influencing the behavior of the professional but even a paying customer can't be confident anymore.

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I think what the author misses is the large institutional structure that restricts the supply of experts and (as a result) enhances their prestige. These days, with the growing availability of technical information, existing systems of licensure, credentialing, and professionalization are breeding resentment on both sides of the lectern. The author's focus in the article is on the layman's resentment for the expert.…

> What I love about computer programming is that basically all you need to be an expert on something is time, persistence, and an Internet connection.

You also need a fourth thing, whip-sharp intelligence. You just won't get that far without it. Also proficiency is a much easier target to reach than expertise. I would call myself a proficient computer programmer, but not quite an expert. I feel like I'm at least a few years off from that, and still I would hesitate until I've attained some recognition.

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The claim that "expertise" is going by the wayside is absurd. What's gone by the wayside is the automatic acceptance of anything a self-proclaimed expert says as fact. Yes, wide access to Google and Wikipedia have aided this trend, and raised the layperson's knowledge level. These things have also raised the burden of proof of expertise. I've never even heard of Tom Nichols; I'm not apt to take what he says as fact j…

The results are much better when searching for his full name used on his books: "Thomas M. Nichols"

So, you're dismissing his expertise and calling him names ("Random McBlogger") because Google ranks him more poorly for Tom than Thomas. That seems like a data-point which supports his argument quite well.

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It seems pretty clear the author has been biased by the area he works in. Public policy may or may not be some type of objective science, but it's certainly under the influence of politics: which means he's subjected regularly to the most arbitrary unscrupulous insanity from random laymen. PG wrote[1] well about how when it comes to this area, people with absolutely no qualifications at all not only give an opinion, but actually consider themselves the expert. I have no doubt the author is subjected to this ad nauseam.

1: http://paulgraham.com/identity.html

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I think what the author misses is the large institutional structure that restricts the supply of experts and (as a result) enhances their prestige. These days, with the growing availability of technical information, existing systems of licensure, credentialing, and professionalization are breeding resentment on both sides of the lectern. The author's focus in the article is on the layman's resentment for the expert.…

> I resent the fact that I have to pay a lot of money to sit in a chair in a dark room and wait for The Expert to deliver his Opinion about whether I need the -4.5's or -5's. In this example, is this not why you pay this expert? I appreciate eyeware that enables me to see; front row and I still can't read the chalkboard? Money is worth this. Once I get the numbers I can get the hardware for cheaper online. There are…

I guess the complaint here is that you can't choose what you will pay for. By law you need to renew your prescription regularly (typically yearly), even if you want to continue to buy the same type of lens.

(The rationale is that the eye doctor prescribing the lens will check your eyes for contact-lens related diseases).

Re: The Death Of Expertise

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The trouble I had was in the first sentence: > I am (or at least think I am) an expert. Not on everything, but in a particular area of human knowledge, specifically social science and public policy. At least as far as the US is concerned, public policy encompasses everything. So as far as I can tell, this person really is claiming to be an expert on everything. "Social science" does not fair much better. NOAD helpful…

Here: http://www.usnwc.edu/Academics/Faculty/Thomas-M--Nichols,-Ph... >Thomas M. Nichols is a professor of national security affairs in the National Security Decision Making Department, where is also the Course Director for Security, Strategy, and Forces. A former Secretary of the Navy Fellow at the Naval War College, he previously taught international relations and Soviet/Russian affairs at Dartmouth College and Geo…

The problem is that the fields in which he is an expert have failed to provide sufficiently better predictive power over the judgement of a well-read or experienced layman[1]. I do not mean that as a criticism of the OP; this is merely a consequence of how young "social science" as a science is, and how difficult of a subject matter it attempts to study. The fact that a "2 sigma" level of confidence is considered acceptable in social science, whereas particle physics has a stand of 5 sigma, should demonstrate that judgement of experts from different disciplines should be different depending upon their area of expertise (but this has been known since the time of Aristotle).

Now it is fair to point out that medicine(as an application of biology) and counseling (as an application of psychology) are held to the same statistical standard, yet the medical community has the advantage of being able to generalize about the responses of human physiology in a way that the social sciences cannot, and counselors at least have the option of leveraging their empathy when trying to understand their clients. Public policy (as an application of sociology) has neither advantage.

But I also think he is painting a false dilemma, either that or he is being uncharitable to his opposition, which I would characterize as "populist"[2]. With regard to the governance of America, it is not simply a choice between experts and the unwashed masses. We also have the option of decentralizing power and policy decisions and letting states, counties, and cities - as well as voluntaristic organizations like professional societies, religious communities, corporations, and charities - decide more of their own rules. This does preclude a "rule by experts", but does delay their ascension until their science has fully matured.

Now, to be fair, my own discipline of computer science/software engineering has yet to grow into maturity as well [3][4]. Yet for all the griping about "techo-elitism" there are quite a number of counter-indicators of this: - there are no legal barriers to entry in this discipline: while a degree is typically expected by employers it is not mandated by law and many enter this discipline without one. - there is a strong culture of having an "open book", i.e. the open source community. - a portfolio of work is typically the central piece of one's resume (rather than credentials or years of experience)

While not having a source of standards can be very detrimental[5], as Brian-Puccio pointed out[6] having a source of standards isn't going to solve the problem. As Dijkstra said, we gain respectability by limiting ourselves to the feasible, and we are successful when we allow ourselves to be opportunity-driven rather than mission driven. Only upon that foundation can we construct a source of credible authority.

[1]http://harveymansfield.org/multimedia/jim-manzi-on-science-k... [2]which, I might add, is the really only position that is truly "democratic" in the traditional sense of the word. The author strikes me as someone who is merely paying lip service to the notion of democracy, perhaps to keep his job, while trying to carefully trying disarm it of any actual governing power. Of course, this side-note trails too far into the realm of speculation about the character of a man whom I do not know, and is in any case less relevant to the main points I am trying to convey. [3]https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD104... [4]http://blog.moryton.net/2007/12/computer-revolution-hasnt-ha... [5]http://blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2012/04/18/After-The-Disa... [6]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7082283

Re: The Death Of Expertise

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The trouble I had was in the first sentence: > I am (or at least think I am) an expert. Not on everything, but in a particular area of human knowledge, specifically social science and public policy. At least as far as the US is concerned, public policy encompasses everything. So as far as I can tell, this person really is claiming to be an expert on everything. "Social science" does not fair much better. NOAD helpful…

Here: http://www.usnwc.edu/Academics/Faculty/Thomas-M--Nichols,-Ph... >Thomas M. Nichols is a professor of national security affairs in the National Security Decision Making Department, where is also the Course Director for Security, Strategy, and Forces. A former Secretary of the Navy Fellow at the Naval War College, he previously taught international relations and Soviet/Russian affairs at Dartmouth College and Geo…

Read some of his blog.

From a cursory glance, I think he believes Snowden is a misguided traitor, Manning should spend the rest of his life in solitary, and Wikileaks is a Russian-funded intelligence front.

These are strong opinions with, IMO, a heavy political slant. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself, even when I disagree with him. But now it seems like he's complaining about not getting enough respect and attention. But with his political bias, I don't think he deserves that kind of respect. His writing is too off-the-cuff and opinionated, lacking in two-dimensional treatment of what he talks about, never mind analysis.

In short, I think he's a right wing blowhard making a fuss about too much questioning of his authority.

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