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The Mac Pro Review

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Re: The Mac Pro Review

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Zero since Haswell-EP uses DDR4.

That being said, I wonder what the chances are that Apple will use the same socket for the Haswell-EP CPU daughterboard. Is there anything obvious that'd prevent them from doing that (e.g, chipset compatibility)?

Yes, I would expect the system design to stay as similar as possible for the next five years or so.

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It looks like your dislike of Apple somehow means that Anandtech is the one who is biased? Really? Come on now.

Look, it's not just me sitting here complaining. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2270612 Pretty much every review of Apple gear has people moaning about bias in the comments. I'm not saying there is any favoritism, but certainly the perception amongst Anandtech readers is that there might be. At the end of the day, there's no reason why the writers at Anandtech would be any more immune to access journali…

Those kinds of complaints can be seen anywhere there is a positive review of Apple products.

You are actually saying there is favoritism. It's dishonest to claim otherwise. You've just suggested that Anand has succumbed to access journalism.

Why not just be honest about what you think, rather pretending to be disinterested reporting on the views of others?

Let's also note that the commenter accusing AnandTech of bias in that comment thread you linked is resoundingly and overwhelmingly rebutted by other readers.

Re: The Mac Pro Review

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Apple needs to fix Mavericks before I ever buy anything from them. They have so much cash, and so many bugs in Mavericks?

What bugs have you found? Have you reported them to Apple? I haven't found any since the 10.9.1 update. They fixed the quicklook slowness bug which was my only complaint. Mavericks is one of the most polished OS X release I have used, behind Snow Leopard.

(not op) I have 4 reported to Apple about Mavericks and one (Quicktime) was fixed with 10.9.1. The other 3 are on the Finder, first appeared in 10.9, and were not fixed in 10.9.1. Mavericks has the buggiest Finder I have seen on a 10.x release. It is a pain to have to restart Finder multiple times a day.

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Only because of the workstation GPUs. You can get better performance for much less if you don't need the special labeling.

But that's not apples to apples.

It's not apples to apples either way. The Apple GPUs are missing ECC for example.

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How is iOS insecure?

I would ignore him. He clearly has no idea what he's saying. No one I've talked to has called Mavericks "buggy as hell".

I would say at least the Finder in Mavericks is "buggy as hell"[1]. It looks like it has a real issue with preview images (when the file is dragged to another window), Applescript, and updating based on file system changes.

1) my other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6993850

Re: The Mac Pro Review

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It looks like your dislike of Apple somehow means that Anandtech is the one who is biased? Really? Come on now.

Look, it's not just me sitting here complaining. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2270612 Pretty much every review of Apple gear has people moaning about bias in the comments. I'm not saying there is any favoritism, but certainly the perception amongst Anandtech readers is that there might be. At the end of the day, there's no reason why the writers at Anandtech would be any more immune to access journali…

> Pretty much every review of Apple gear has people moaning about bias in the comments.

Well, yes, but any time just about anyone anywhere reviews an Apple thing and doesn't say "This is worse than iHitler", there are cries of bias, evil conspiracy, etc. People are a bit funny about Apple.

Re: The Mac Pro Review

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Wow. For me, the big takeaway from this review are the benchmarks showing the iMac and MBPs beating out the Mac Pro. That shows that this machine is really for niche markets like professional video editing. Makes you wonder why Apple even bothers.

The Mac Pro has been pretty niche for years, and has been losing out to the top-end iMac for a while on poorly-threaded stuff. To a large extent this is due to Intel's product cycle, where the many-cored high-bandwidth Xeon is at least one core iteration, and sometimes two, behind the iX.

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It's a "forward looking" architecture (to steal the line from the iPhone 5S pitch.) They're betting big on GPU compute. I wouldn't say it is for "niche markets", though perhaps today it is only useful to smaller markets, it's that this computer is going to over time get faster and faster relative to the 2013 iMac and MBPs as more apps take advantage of the GPUs. It's kind of a unique phenomenon and makes the benchmar…

This has kind of been the claim for years now, though, with a burgeoning market of compute apps just around the corner. Only it isn't so easy, and compute applications only apply for a specific set of problems, not only because of the GPU geared restrictions and architecture of these designs, but because of the islands of memory forcing endless memory copies back and forth. Unified memory should go a long way to maki…

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple develops a library to help facilitate GPU usage, similar to how they developed Grand Central Dispatch to help developers utilize multicore CPUs more effectively.

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In general, the MacPro loses out in single-thread performance only, since Xeons are typically one architecture behind. When the Haswell based Xeons come out, Apple will refresh the Mac Pro line, and you'll get parity single-thread performance.

Do we know that though? Historically speaking, the Mac Pro doesn't get updated nearly as often as Intel releases a new architecture.

It actually did for a long time; then they skipped a few iterations. Maybe they'll do that again, maybe they won't; we'll see.

Re: The Mac Pro Review

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What I found interesting is that the system used for all the benchmarks is significantly more expensive than the systems listed on the first page - 12 cores, 32gb Ram, and a 512gb SSD prices out at $7699, nearly double the cost of the more expensive of the two configurations listed on the first page, and it's still 10% more expensive than the "Most Expensive Configuration Upgrade Path" on page two - which means your…

The systems listed on the first page are the advertised base models from Apple. The unit they benchmarked for the review is presumably a review unit that they had no choice about. OTOH, it's a little surprising that Apple gave out 12 core review units, since the 8 core seems to be better at benchmarking.

They gave Macworld and The Verge, at least, 8 core units. Perhaps a case of know your audience; neither of those sites would be necessarily too inclined to go into _why_ the 12 core part is slower in many benchmarks, whereas Anandtech, of course, will.
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