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Missing hard drive containing Bitcoins worth £4m in Newport landfill site

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Re: Missing hard drive containing Bitcoins worth £4m in Newport landfill site

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So, this raises an interesting question for me. Since the total supply of Bitcoins is limited by design, doesn't every forgotten or lost Bitcoin reduce the total supply?

In other words, suppose, hypothetically, that after all Bitcoins have been mined, I bought them all, stored them on a hard drive (with no backup, obviously), and then destroyed that hard drive (let's say I threw it into a black hole). Does Bitcoin still exist?

Re: Missing hard drive containing Bitcoins worth £4m in Newport landfill site

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Eventually over time, once all the bitcoins are mined and out and about in the world. They'll get lost for various reasons. Is there a way to recover these lost bitcoins and return them to circulation or is the artificial scarcity of bitcoins going to turn into real scarcity and drive up prices even more?

The short answer is, no.

A digital currency could be designed with this in mind, but it would seemingly require an official ownership registry or something equally effective on identification (if you can't prove loss, you can't return them to circulation).

Much like with physical currencies, or gold, the reduction of outstanding supply increases the value for everyone else holding. There's no across-the-board right argument to whether that's a good thing or not.

Re: Missing hard drive containing Bitcoins worth £4m in Newport landfill site

#93

So, this raises an interesting question for me. Since the total supply of Bitcoins is limited by design, doesn't every forgotten or lost Bitcoin reduce the total supply? In other words, suppose, hypothetically, that after all Bitcoins have been mined, I bought them all, stored them on a hard drive (with no backup, obviously), and then destroyed that hard drive (let's say I threw it into a black hole). Does Bitcoin st…

Yes. The lost currency is essentially removed from the pool. The result is deflation--because there is less supply, the currency is worth more. Goods cost the same, so the bitcoin value for a certain product/service drops.

At least this is what economics would seem to dictate. You can send tiny partitions of bitcoin, so it's really easy to send a millionth of a bitcoin, where if $40t disappeared from the USD, you can't give 1/1,000,000 of a dollar (not that you would anyhow, since you can't irreversibly dispose money--you just print more)

Re: Missing hard drive containing Bitcoins worth £4m in Newport landfill site

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post #83

Eventually over time, once all the bitcoins are mined and out and about in the world. They'll get lost for various reasons. Is there a way to recover these lost bitcoins and return them to circulation or is the artificial scarcity of bitcoins going to turn into real scarcity and drive up prices even more?

The bitcoin network demonstrated that with enough cooperation they can fix some issues (see the blockchain fork from a while back). However, as adventured said, there's no way to verify that any individual bitcoins in an old address are actually lost. Unless that address is strongly associated with you (very, very strongly) you can't simply assert that it's a lost address (especially since you can't use it anymore to send anything as verification). It's quite possible, especially with the way some people are using cold wallets/paper wallets, that a lot of inactive addresses are just people waiting for the value to go up (invest and forget). Or people who got a bitnickel from a faucet a couple years ago and have the wallet, but haven't found a use for it yet.

Re: Missing hard drive containing Bitcoins worth £4m in Newport landfill site

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post #93

So, this raises an interesting question for me. Since the total supply of Bitcoins is limited by design, doesn't every forgotten or lost Bitcoin reduce the total supply? In other words, suppose, hypothetically, that after all Bitcoins have been mined, I bought them all, stored them on a hard drive (with no backup, obviously), and then destroyed that hard drive (let's say I threw it into a black hole). Does Bitcoin st…

Yes. The lost currency is essentially removed from the pool. The result is deflation--because there is less supply, the currency is worth more. Goods cost the same, so the bitcoin value for a certain product/service drops. At least this is what economics would seem to dictate. You can send tiny partitions of bitcoin, so it's really easy to send a millionth of a bitcoin, where if $40t disappeared from the USD, you can…

So what about my second question? If I bought all the Bitcoins and deleted them, does that destroy the currency entirely?

Re: Missing hard drive containing Bitcoins worth £4m in Newport landfill site

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Collecting the donations changes everything. It seems like going to "the internet" with a sob story and a paypal account (or bitcoin wallet in this case) has been getting pretty popular recently, or at least has been getting more attention. I absolutely cannot understand why anybody would ever throw money at some unverified sob story...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6806056 I do; and I do it because I'm not completely cynical about the general public. I actually think most people are telling the truth. I could be very wrong, but nothing in my life has indicated as such. I have no idea what that indication would look like, but my default is to believe people unless I have a reason not to.

I'm not completely cynical about the general public. I firmly believe that most people are good trustworthy people who are kept in line by their own sense of what is right and wrong, not the law. However I am aware that there is a small fraction of the general public that makes a living scamming the largely innocent and trusting general public.

If I hear about somebody's house burning down on the local news, I might chip in a few dollars so that they can get their kids new clothes or whatever. I hear the same story, on reddit, 4chan, HN, whatever, from the alleged victim, and they are coming to me with this story and a collection jar? I'm sorry, I am going to require at least some local news confirmation, and it seems like even that isn't good enough with some of these scams.

And don't even get me started on how in most of these cases the jump from "here is my sob story" to "and that is why I need money" is completely missing. The connection there is clear when a house burns down, but "I threw something out, then later learned it was worth a lot"? "I am a server who was insulted/was not tipped"? Uhuh. If I see a donation cup, and no connection between "sob story"->"now I need lots of money", I don't think that there is any rational conclusion besides "it's a scam".

Re: Missing hard drive containing Bitcoins worth £4m in Newport landfill site

#97
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The lost currency is essentially removed from the pool. The result is deflation--because there is less supply, the currency is worth more. Goods cost the same, so the bitcoin value for a certain product/service drops. At least this is what economics would seem to dictate. You can send tiny partitions of bitcoin, so it's really easy to send a millionth of a bitcoin, where if $40t disappeared from the USD, you can…

So what about my second question? If I bought all the Bitcoins and deleted them, does that destroy the currency entirely?

Your question is MU, ie: the question itself is wrong, because doing what you propose is so hard you can consider it impossible

Re: Missing hard drive containing Bitcoins worth £4m in Newport landfill site

#98
I have misplaced Bitcoins currently worth in excess of $700,000 / £430,000. They were purchased a couple of years back.

I've not even started the search for them properly as I know how gutted I will feel if I definitely can't find them. At the end of the day, it's only money and there's always time to make more. Time is the one thing of which we have a finite amount!

Re: Missing hard drive containing Bitcoins worth £4m in Newport landfill site

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Howells ran a program on his laptop for a week to generate his stash CPU based bitcoin mining, probably solo without a pool, 7000+ coins. Ha. Those were the days.

Something about hindsight being 20/20.....

Actually a good lesson about being an optimist vs pessimist.

Many of us wrote it off.

I dug up a year old hard drive to get back 0.05 BTC the other day :-)

Re: Missing hard drive containing Bitcoins worth £4m in Newport landfill site

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post #14

Howells ran a program on his laptop for a week to generate his stash CPU based bitcoin mining, probably solo without a pool, 7000+ coins. Ha. Those were the days.

With 50 bitcoins per block, 6 blocks per hour, that would be 7200 bitcoins generated per day total.

So this guy made up more than 1/7 of the entire bitcoin network?

There were less than 6 people besides him that had as powerful of computers?

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