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Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?

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Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?

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>> While I know a lot of people by their online handles, I also know their real name, This can't possibly be true. I easily interact with 100+ people on various platforms. I don't know any of their names. I consider them "friends" in a way, but their real names are wholly irrelevant to me. >> if you're talking to your friends via YouTube No... You are having a discussion about the video. This is certainly not your fr…

>> This can't possibly be true. I would not be so sure. I know at least the first name of most of the people I communicate with exclusively over the internet. Easily over 50 people. Regarding real names being wholly irrelevant, it is true you can get by without knowing somebody's name, but I find that people respond more easily and you can have a more honest, personal conversation if you at least exchange first names…

> I would not be so sure. I know at least the first name of most of the people I communicate with exclusively over the internet. Easily over 50 people

Then it means you're really not communicating that much over the Internet. Just to give you my personal example (and I'm generally an introvert), when it comes to "Internet discussion" I'm more or less actively involved in: a tramspotting forum, /r/soccer, /r/the_name_of_my_country, some urban development blogs and of course HN. I think I only know the first name of 3 or 4 people out of the hundreds (tens of thousands, if you include /r/soccer) of people involved in these communities.

Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?

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Internally, G+ is marketed as a unified login/account system. Management's stated reasoning goes something like: * It's silly to force users to have separate accounts for Google services because most users would prefer to have Gmail, Docs/Drive, YouTube, Calendar, and so on under the same account/identity. * Users who want to have separate public identities will create pseudonymous "Pages" for each of their identitie…

First of all, thank you for responding publicly.

In hindsight what I really meant to ask was this:

Why is Google Plus (the social network) worth burning every other Google service and product to the ground in an attempt to drive adoption? Is Google really that scared of Facebook?

The fact that this post turned into a YouTube complaint fest highlights the bad decisions being made, but I am more interested in the big picture.

Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?

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I'd be more concerned when they start forcing G+ on open platforms like the Web and Android. Maybe it's already started with Android KitKat shipping with Hangouts as the default messaging app.

The worst part is I can't even disable it if I am using my another SMS app, so now I have to clear two notifications for my text message and 50% of the time I usually end up in the Hangouts app where I don't want to be. When will this madness stop?

Your other SMS app is broken needs to update to the new API that was introduced in KitKat, which should fix both problems:

http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2013/10/getting-your-...

Intercepting SMS required using a hidden API before. Now it's an officially supported feature.

Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?

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post #37

I'd be more concerned when they start forcing G+ on open platforms like the Web and Android. Maybe it's already started with Android KitKat shipping with Hangouts as the default messaging app.

As mentioned in my other reply here, KitKat added an API which explicitly lets users change their default SMS app. The way apps did it in the past required using a hidden API and wasn't guaranteed to work.

No conspiracy theories necessary. :)

Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?

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Don't forget that one of the tacit reasons for G+'s existence is simply to have a reason to encourage G+ buttons on each page for further tracking of what's happening on the internet. Using a single identity helps to reconcile a unique user that help both the advertiser reach "uniques" and for Google to better understand that user's behavior. Back to the point: Google's ethos is to track and analyze as much of what's…

From https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1319578 : > The +1 button isn’t used to track your visits across the web. > Google doesn’t keep a persistent record of your browsing > history as part of the process of showing you a +1 button or > otherwise use the fact that you personally have visited a page > with the +1 button.

Good to know, I'd never seen that before. But still they do keep the records for 2 weeks, and it's not very far-fetched to imagine that it's rolled up into some data store that can be attached to your unique identity (even if it isn't explicitly a record of every webpage one has has visited).

Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?

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I have no idea what the official party line is... but doesn't it make at least a little bit of sense to unify two social networks owned by the same company? One thought about real names: what does your contacts database look like on your phone? While I know a lot of people by their online handles, I also know their real name, and I typically choose to enter that real name into my phone. Maybe this is uncommon, but if…

> Is there some intrinsic reason that someone be referred > to as "Jonathan Rockway" when you send them a message via > the SMS protocol, but "jrockway" if you send that same > message via Jabber? Counter example: I'm internet-buddies with a person who goes by CUNT'N'PASTE. This is obviously not a name that complies with the Google+ naming policy, but it is the name they chose, and they should be permitted to use it.…

Here's an idea, tell your friend to grow up and use a socially acceptable name instead - revolutionary I know!

Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?

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post #36

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Better in what way? G+ has confusing and horrible interface, it's slow, and keeps asking me to import friends every single time I open up the page. That's not 'better product' in my opinion.

Compared to Facebook, it's beautifully designed.

That ... actually makes me wince a bit. For the Facebookers.

http://stylebot.me/styles/2446

That's what it took for me to be able to tolerate the Plus.

Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?

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I have no idea what the official party line is... but doesn't it make at least a little bit of sense to unify two social networks owned by the same company? One thought about real names: what does your contacts database look like on your phone? While I know a lot of people by their online handles, I also know their real name, and I typically choose to enter that real name into my phone. Maybe this is uncommon, but if…

Possibly.

What really doesn't make sense is migrating someone to Google+ without asking, and then throwing them out since the account name didn't meet the higher name standard there. This has happened to a friend of mine.

Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1319578 : > The +1 button isn’t used to track your visits across the web. > Google doesn’t keep a persistent record of your browsing > history as part of the process of showing you a +1 button or > otherwise use the fact that you personally have visited a page > with the +1 button.

Okay, so the mere _presence_ of the +1 button in a browser doesn't track visits across the web. But when you press the button, "Google receives information about your Google profile, the URL you +1, your IP address, and other browser-related information."

If you click the button, it lights up in red and also shows up in the +1's tab on your plus.google.com profile (which you can make public or private). Since the +1 button is served from Google's servers and displayed via an iframe, Google of course receives client information when you click it. You're making a request to Google's servers.

Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?

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I work pretty high up at Google, and I (obviously) made this account to post in this thread. Google is effectively "dead" in my opinion, and this mirrors (at least in my experience) the feelings of many of our other higher-ups who are concerned with technology rather than the business. Everything has stagnated, it's no longer fun to work here, and it's entirely about making money now. The claims that we don't bend ov…

Fortunately HN is not integrated with G+, yet!
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