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Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by dopamean » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 3:48 AM UTC

legutierr wrote: post #75

dandelany wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know who else profits from misery? Doctors, and funeral home owners. Pretty much anyone in the media. I certainly hope my doctor isn't making terrible jokes about how much money he's going to make from my disease, but even if he was, it wouldn't be illegal nor would I find it a justifiable reason to leak his personal information (let alone his clients' information!). You also assume everyone is already split into…

I might suggest that doctors and funeral home owners profit by alleviating the misery of others.

Also, it would be different if we did a dump of all the emails from oncologists at the Moffitt Center and found out they were putting doctors on the news to say smoking is good for your health and then highfiving each other via email after.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by jeswin » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 3:52 AM UTC

iamshs wrote: post #23

kid0m4n wrote: post #11

Oh, this is so classy: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=8402 Quote: Oh, they have enough weapons. Now the serious game begins as Reva pointed out. The investigation of the attack is not interesting. I suspect the findings have already been reached before the first investigator got to work. Now the question is how India responds. God willing, the Indian response will make us a lot of money. This after…

Holy damn. Here is one interview of her (Reva Bhalla): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc1gJOPCipY And at the end she is linking the attack to Al Qaeda. I think this is why they are giving her kudos, for planting the seed. This is nefarious on so many levels. This means India directly comes under pressure to respond back to Pakistan, and then respond to allegations that Al Qaeda is expanding in India. It is ironic th…

It could also have meant that investigators have already decided who did this. IIRC, hours after the attacks we were already suggesting Pakistan. In the end it turned out to be close, but jumping into conclusions would not help our credibility.

Reva Bhalla's interview is too insignificant to directly affect our decision to respond. She was speculating, but everyone (including the government!) was speculating too and they were all pretty much saying the same thing. Which is, "someone in Pakistan".

I haven't seen anything seriously damaging yet from the India files. People aren't always very mild in emails, and some of them were just jokes. Some jokes were crude, but we all make such jokes.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by praxeologist » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 3:56 AM UTC

iamshs wrote: post #23

kid0m4n wrote: post #11

Oh, this is so classy: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=8402 Quote: Oh, they have enough weapons. Now the serious game begins as Reva pointed out. The investigation of the attack is not interesting. I suspect the findings have already been reached before the first investigator got to work. Now the question is how India responds. God willing, the Indian response will make us a lot of money. This after…

Holy damn. Here is one interview of her (Reva Bhalla): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc1gJOPCipY And at the end she is linking the attack to Al Qaeda. I think this is why they are giving her kudos, for planting the seed. This is nefarious on so many levels. This means India directly comes under pressure to respond back to Pakistan, and then respond to allegations that Al Qaeda is expanding in India. It is ironic th…

>Why does education/intelligence/morality not cull the inner devil of some?

I've seen some study (not handy sorry) that about 5% of people near-totally lack the ability to empathize.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by jeswin » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 4:05 AM UTC

monsterix wrote: post #25

kid0m4n wrote: post #11

Oh, this is so classy: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=8402 Quote: Oh, they have enough weapons. Now the serious game begins as Reva pointed out. The investigation of the attack is not interesting. I suspect the findings have already been reached before the first investigator got to work. Now the question is how India responds. God willing, the Indian response will make us a lot of money. This after…

This makes me sick to the stomach. I was in India when the Mumbai carnage took place. My classmate from IIT was killed the same day at the very same spot [1]. And here we have this class of a bitch thinking of making a "lot of money" off a probable war ['caged match' look at the audacity!]. No wonder they say karma is broken all over the place. On another story these same corrupt assholes have abused their power to s…

Relax, they are more like a news company. If you checked the emails of CNN, Fox, or even BBC you might find similar stuff. All news companies, including Indian TV channels love bad news.

Stratfor is nowhere close to holding the kind of power you are imagining.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by dopamean » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 4:11 AM UTC

elwell wrote: post #89

whaaa? https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=10828

Jesus christ that looks terrible.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by iamshs » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 4:34 AM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #92

iamshs wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy damn. Here is one interview of her (Reva Bhalla): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc1gJOPCipY And at the end she is linking the attack to Al Qaeda. I think this is why they are giving her kudos, for planting the seed. This is nefarious on so many levels. This means India directly comes under pressure to respond back to Pakistan, and then respond to allegations that Al Qaeda is expanding in India. It is ironic th…

It could also have meant that investigators have already decided who did this. IIRC, hours after the attacks we were already suggesting Pakistan. In the end it turned out to be close, but jumping into conclusions would not help our credibility. Reva Bhalla's interview is too insignificant to directly affect our decision to respond. She was speculating, but everyone (including the government!) was speculating too and…

They did not know who did it immediately, except knowing of Pakistan's involvement. Remember, ISI chief was being flown to India immediately on eve of attacks and Pak PM allowed it, only to be cancelled at last minute? [1] Nobody was speculating Al Qaeda links, it was being said either JeM, Deccan Mujahideen or LeT. Her speculation is significant because she is associated with security agency, is on CNN and will be listened to by in American Policy corridors.

You haven't seen damaging because they are aggregator, and put in their analysis on the news. Yeah crude jokes like selling weapons over the misery of others. "We" do not make these kind of jokes, and even if we do, they should be deplored. Sorry, I am not in sync with you over this.

[1] - http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/29mumterror-isi-chief-vi...

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by niels_olson » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 4:38 AM UTC

eli wrote: post #86

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #78

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It has been quite long enough since the Stratfor data breach for the CC companies to close & reissue new card numbers. This is much ado about nothing.

Exactly what cause has been advanced by making them available?

Maybe we'll be able to identify some people who voted for Stratfor with their pocketbooks. That finding wouldn't make me sad.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by COMS » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 4:42 AM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #92

iamshs wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy damn. Here is one interview of her (Reva Bhalla): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc1gJOPCipY And at the end she is linking the attack to Al Qaeda. I think this is why they are giving her kudos, for planting the seed. This is nefarious on so many levels. This means India directly comes under pressure to respond back to Pakistan, and then respond to allegations that Al Qaeda is expanding in India. It is ironic th…

It could also have meant that investigators have already decided who did this. IIRC, hours after the attacks we were already suggesting Pakistan. In the end it turned out to be close, but jumping into conclusions would not help our credibility. Reva Bhalla's interview is too insignificant to directly affect our decision to respond. She was speculating, but everyone (including the government!) was speculating too and…

To be fair, the guy joking about India attacking Pakistan and Israel having an excuse to go back into Gaza is the FOUNDER and CHAIRMAN of Stratfor. He ended the email with, "We are looking at a tense and profitable week."

He is apparently in "high demand" at JP Morgan- http://www.stratfor.com/about/analysts/dr-george-friedman

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by niels_olson » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 4:42 AM UTC

deadfall wrote: post #36

iamshs wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy damn. Here is one interview of her (Reva Bhalla): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc1gJOPCipY And at the end she is linking the attack to Al Qaeda. I think this is why they are giving her kudos, for planting the seed. This is nefarious on so many levels. This means India directly comes under pressure to respond back to Pakistan, and then respond to allegations that Al Qaeda is expanding in India. It is ironic th…

"Why does education/intelligence/morality not cull the inner devil of some?" IMO education and intelligence may sometimes fuel the "inner devil". "Greed has poisoned men's souls." I really think it is power and or authority that may be the culprit in these kinds of situations. Some people are completely disconnected from our fellow humans.

> power ... authority ... completely disconnected from our fellow humans

Highly relevant: http://ksuweb.kennesaw.edu/~uzimmerm/Notes/Ludwig+Longenecke...

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by COMS » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 4:51 AM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #94

monsterix wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes me sick to the stomach. I was in India when the Mumbai carnage took place. My classmate from IIT was killed the same day at the very same spot [1]. And here we have this class of a bitch thinking of making a "lot of money" off a probable war ['caged match' look at the audacity!]. No wonder they say karma is broken all over the place. On another story these same corrupt assholes have abused their power to s…

Relax, they are more like a news company. If you checked the emails of CNN, Fox, or even BBC you might find similar stuff. All news companies, including Indian TV channels love bad news. Stratfor is nowhere close to holding the kind of power you are imagining.

On the ground human intelligence is power. And Barron's called Stratfor "the shadow CIA".

I have limited experience in this but I've seen some egregious things with current intelligence employees and private contractors. I think you are underestimating outside ways these guys could profit and/or use their intelligence collection news company to encourage those profits.