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Post by andrelaszlo »

ultramundane828 wrote: post #86
andrelaszlo wrote: post #52

Some ideas of why it could be found offensive: 1. Misogyny. Why? Flight attendants are women. Rich CEO's are men. A CEO that loses a bet and has to work as a flight attendant, also has to wear a skirt, stockings and lipstick. To clarify: It's a stereotype, and stereotypes can be found offensive. Imagine if he had painted his face black instead. 2. Transphobia. Why? Men dressing up as women are supposed to be silly. H…

I don't see this as inflammatory or offensive. However, I do have a separate problem. It reads like a rebuttal, but has no parent comment. It makes me feel like you're speaking to a comment no one made. Derail complete.

It was several comments, that's why. Maybe I should have chosen one of them? Didn't think it would be confusing, sorry.

Edit: Reading timje's edit, I think I should have chosen that comment as parent.

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Post by cbp »

frogpelt wrote: post #82
andrelaszlo wrote: post #52

Some ideas of why it could be found offensive: 1. Misogyny. Why? Flight attendants are women. Rich CEO's are men. A CEO that loses a bet and has to work as a flight attendant, also has to wear a skirt, stockings and lipstick. To clarify: It's a stereotype, and stereotypes can be found offensive. Imagine if he had painted his face black instead. 2. Transphobia. Why? Men dressing up as women are supposed to be silly. H…

Great idea!! Let's think of all the reasons it could hurt someone's feelings. But here's an interesting fact about being offended: it's a choice , just like most emotional responses. You can choose not to be offended. That doesn't mean you always should choose that path but most of the time it is the better choice. If someone cuts you off in traffic on the way to work, you can A) be mad at the person, try to retaliat…

Damn, where did you get that conclusion from? A list of "Top 10 things you need to know about psychology"?

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Post by drhayes9 »

frogpelt wrote: post #82
andrelaszlo wrote: post #52

Some ideas of why it could be found offensive: 1. Misogyny. Why? Flight attendants are women. Rich CEO's are men. A CEO that loses a bet and has to work as a flight attendant, also has to wear a skirt, stockings and lipstick. To clarify: It's a stereotype, and stereotypes can be found offensive. Imagine if he had painted his face black instead. 2. Transphobia. Why? Men dressing up as women are supposed to be silly. H…

Great idea!! Let's think of all the reasons it could hurt someone's feelings. But here's an interesting fact about being offended: it's a choice , just like most emotional responses. You can choose not to be offended. That doesn't mean you always should choose that path but most of the time it is the better choice. If someone cuts you off in traffic on the way to work, you can A) be mad at the person, try to retaliat…

Choosing to not be offended is a prerogative of the privileged. You might get to choose not to be offended but that's likely because you're not the target here.

Consider two things:

1. You're saying that someone doesn't have to be offended when that person's entire identity is being lampooned. Sure, I don't have to be offended if someone makes lazy Mexican jokes... but that doesn't mean that their behavior isn't reprehensible, not funny, and contributes to a culture of hatred and violence.

2. Considering that a culture that treats cross-dressing and transgendered people as "humorous" leads pretty quickly to making those people targets of scorn and violence leaves some of the choice out of it, don't you think? A transgendered person might "choose" not to be offended, but then a potential attacker might "choose" to think of someone as less of a person... and images and words like this contribute to that.

It sure seems like you're comparing a culture of derision and violence against transgendered people to getting cut off in traffic.

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Virgin sites are extremely well done design, just fantastic. Technology is Drupal, so 1 out of 2. You can get Drupal running well on cache and it has merits, just lots of pain as well.

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Post by sergiosgc »

andrelaszlo wrote: post #52

Some ideas of why it could be found offensive: 1. Misogyny. Why? Flight attendants are women. Rich CEO's are men. A CEO that loses a bet and has to work as a flight attendant, also has to wear a skirt, stockings and lipstick. To clarify: It's a stereotype, and stereotypes can be found offensive. Imagine if he had painted his face black instead. 2. Transphobia. Why? Men dressing up as women are supposed to be silly. H…

Humour has no barriers. And it shouldn't have. We joke about death. We joke about illness. We joke about disabilities. We joke about just everything. Laughter and humour is what separates us from monkeys. Let the monkeys be politically correct. We'll have a good laugh in the meantime.

The fact that you feel offended is the itself the result of misogyny. If the world were misogyny-free, there would be no offense implied. It is not, but we should fake until we make it.

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Post by SheepSlapper »

frogpelt wrote: post #82
andrelaszlo wrote: post #52

Some ideas of why it could be found offensive: 1. Misogyny. Why? Flight attendants are women. Rich CEO's are men. A CEO that loses a bet and has to work as a flight attendant, also has to wear a skirt, stockings and lipstick. To clarify: It's a stereotype, and stereotypes can be found offensive. Imagine if he had painted his face black instead. 2. Transphobia. Why? Men dressing up as women are supposed to be silly. H…

Great idea!! Let's think of all the reasons it could hurt someone's feelings. But here's an interesting fact about being offended: it's a choice , just like most emotional responses. You can choose not to be offended. That doesn't mean you always should choose that path but most of the time it is the better choice. If someone cuts you off in traffic on the way to work, you can A) be mad at the person, try to retaliat…

I agree, choosing to not be offended is almost never the easier choice, but is usually the better way to go.

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Post by harvestmoon »

oijaf888 wrote: post #70
harvestmoon wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found the part where he was in part responsible for several people's death offputting.

Can you expand on this? I was unable to find anything about this anywhere else.

I read it a few years ago. From what I recall, Richard and possibly his wife wanted to go on a fishing expedition. The boat owner said it was too dangerous.

Richard demanded that they go and put pressure on the boat guy. They went. There was a storm. Richard and his wife decided to swim to safety.

Everyone else died.

Now that I think about it, in the book, Richard also forces other people to do things they don't want, and mentions breaking someone else emotionally.

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Post by cmyr »

sergiosgc wrote: post #96
andrelaszlo wrote: post #52

Some ideas of why it could be found offensive: 1. Misogyny. Why? Flight attendants are women. Rich CEO's are men. A CEO that loses a bet and has to work as a flight attendant, also has to wear a skirt, stockings and lipstick. To clarify: It's a stereotype, and stereotypes can be found offensive. Imagine if he had painted his face black instead. 2. Transphobia. Why? Men dressing up as women are supposed to be silly. H…

Humour has no barriers. And it shouldn't have. We joke about death. We joke about illness. We joke about disabilities. We joke about just everything. Laughter and humour is what separates us from monkeys. Let the monkeys be politically correct. We'll have a good laugh in the meantime. The fact that you feel offended is the itself the result of misogyny. If the world were misogyny-free, there would be no offense impli…

The 'humour has no barriers' thing is dependent on that humour working. This just seems tone-deaf.

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Post by cmyr »

frogpelt wrote: post #82
andrelaszlo wrote: post #52

Some ideas of why it could be found offensive: 1. Misogyny. Why? Flight attendants are women. Rich CEO's are men. A CEO that loses a bet and has to work as a flight attendant, also has to wear a skirt, stockings and lipstick. To clarify: It's a stereotype, and stereotypes can be found offensive. Imagine if he had painted his face black instead. 2. Transphobia. Why? Men dressing up as women are supposed to be silly. H…

Great idea!! Let's think of all the reasons it could hurt someone's feelings. But here's an interesting fact about being offended: it's a choice , just like most emotional responses. You can choose not to be offended. That doesn't mean you always should choose that path but most of the time it is the better choice. If someone cuts you off in traffic on the way to work, you can A) be mad at the person, try to retaliat…

Those things aren't similar at all.

An individual's specific, isolated behaviour is distinct from an individual's general, systematic behaviour. Somebody cutting me off in traffic (because they're stressed, or late, or sad, or angry, or for whatever other reason) is massively different from somebody cutting me off in traffic because I'm transgender, E.g.

I accept that this is an awful particular example, but I'm working with the framework you've offered, and I trust it gets the point across.

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