Avoid heart disease - die of cancer! Honestly, I would take the massive coronary event any day over the slow, miserable death that cancer involves.
Avoiding Heart Disease
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't bother with the first episode. It is full of nonsense, including a naturopath as an "expert". The second episode regarding statins is far more evidence-based.
I think the stuff about the effects of high sugar and high carbohydrate diets in the first episode is pretty solid. Which one is the naturopath?
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even the front side of your analogy is broken. Mechanics are great sources of information on how to drive so you can maximize the life of your engine. It's like you haven't had a conversation with a mechanic before. Likewise with doctors. I have had 4 doctors in my family (3 still alive), and I've spent many the family meal talking with them about health, longevity, and the mechanical/biology/chemistry behind how you…
Your interactions with mechanics and doctors imply a closer relationship than perhaps that of the OP. My typical experience with is closer to the OP's--that is they have a lot of vehicles/patients to see and don't go in to too much detail on each visit.
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#94> I've been wondering though why didn't I have this level of discussion with my doctor? 1. For starters doctors are good but not super people. The amount of time you can allocate yourself can mean you win via quantity over quality. 2. Tragedy of the commons. Tests that might help you don't necessarily help society. Tying up a machine that helps people with cancer hurts society but might have a benefit to yourself. Wh…
1. Doctors are people like any other. But they've spent years specializing in evidence based medicine. They aren't perfect. No. But they are the best we have. 2. The far bigger problem is doctors order tests that wouldn't change treatment but rather help avoid malpractice. 3. The quote -- every time I read it -- makes me laugh because it's so disingenuous. My wife had a week of dietary training in med school. You kno…
First of all, if your wife graduated from med school, she should have taken the Hippocratic oath. An oath written by the guy considered the father of western medicine.
You know what he had to say about diet?
“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food”
He also said something along the lines of "if you don't know diet you can't call yourself a doctor" but I can't find the exact quote.
>If you think diet and exercise are the only--or even the most effective--means of lowering morbidity for chd (which is what OP is worried about) you'd also be wrong.
Actually, you'd be wrong. Consider a clinical study carried out by the inventor of bypass surgery and another doctor, in the best heart hospital in the world considered by US News & World Report.
The study had very sick heart disease patients, who were told they had a year to live by their cardiologists, change their diet. 23 opted in for the study but only 18 chose to continue with the diet after a couple months. Those 18 patients are still alive today 20 years later, and several had an angioplasty done giving photographic proof their plaque buildup had cleared out. The ones who dropped out died shorty after.
The 18 never had a heart attack after they changed their diets, while before they did they had a combined 49 coronary events (that's ~3 heart related emergencies per person average).
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#95Catalyst, an excellent science program on the ABC [1], Australia's national broadcaster, has just had a two-part episode called "The Heart of the Matter", about the science (or lack of it) behind the cholesterol theory. The researcher Dr Maryanne Demasi[2], herself a research pathologist, has spent three years gathering data, interviewing researchers, scientists and doctors on both sides of the argument, and the show…
I'm not sure Catalyst is excellent anymore - it's certainly not as good as when it was called Quantum. That particular episode has been extremely divisive and for me personally I'm not sure what to take from it at all.
However, when you consider that pharmaceutical companies in the US pay doctors (not always directly for prescribing their drugs, but close enough), and also fund most of the research in the US, Australia and probably most other countries, that seems a much stronger candidate for bias than a science researcher who is trying to tell a story on a not-for-profit TV network.
There are plenty of medical "breakthroughs" throughout history that have come from people who were initially branded as heretics/crazies but who eventually were proved correct. Germ theory, antibiotics, anaesthesia etc.
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#96So this year, I turned 38, off the BP meds more than 3 years now. Then, last month while in China with my family, I had a full blown stroke. Result was lost 2cm of my left brain directly in the region that controls speech and right arm & hand motor skills. Spent 8 days in a Chinese hospital.
For about one week, I talked like a stone cold drunk and my right arm was useless. I thought I might be that way forever. Luckily, after two months, I'm basically fully functionally recovered. Bottom line is the path from a risk indicator like high blood pressure to a stroke or heart attack can be fairly short. Now, at 38 I know I must make some radical change if I'm going to live to 70, no less not be a paralyzed half brain dead invalid.
I'm certainly interested in quantified self tech now. The problem is everyone that needs a doctor to take an intense personal interest in their long term health cannot possibly find a doctor to do so, for any number of reasons. Opportunity is to empower the individual non-medial experts to easily monitor their own health and risk factors over time. Will likely be moving into product development in this space myself.
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#97How to avoid heart disease: (0) Be female. Don't be born with heart defects. Don't be old. Don't have Marfan or Loeys-Dietz syndromes. (All of the unfair/can't modify factors will get lumped into recommendation #0.) (1) Don't use tobacco or cocaine, and don't drink too much alcohol. (2) Don't get exposed to radiation or chemotherapy. (3) Don't have diabetes. (4) Don't have high blood pressure. (5) Have low levels of…
Most of those amount to "be lucky", which isn't very helpful advice.
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#98How to avoid heart disease: (0) Be female. Don't be born with heart defects. Don't be old. Don't have Marfan or Loeys-Dietz syndromes. (All of the unfair/can't modify factors will get lumped into recommendation #0.) (1) Don't use tobacco or cocaine, and don't drink too much alcohol. (2) Don't get exposed to radiation or chemotherapy. (3) Don't have diabetes. (4) Don't have high blood pressure. (5) Have low levels of…
I am not fat, I've always been thin and my cholesterol is bang on perfect, my blood pressure 120/80 or better. Although I've slacked off the gym for about four years I'm pretty active at work.
Anyway out of the blue I am diagnosed with fatty liver: it hurts, I can feel it. Know how people with fatty liver die? Heart attack or stroke, fatty liver significantly increases the chances of either or both.
My grandfather died at age 52 of a heart attack, his daughter my aunt died of a stroke after multiple heart attacks age 70-ish and her brother my uncle also died of a heart attack at age 52 same as his father. Their brother my uncle had a quadruple bypass in his late 50s.
I'm beginning to wonder if people with a family history of heart disease really have NAFLD.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your interactions with mechanics and doctors imply a closer relationship than perhaps that of the OP. My typical experience with is closer to the OP's--that is they have a lot of vehicles/patients to see and don't go in to too much detail on each visit.
my mom(who was a primary school teacher) had been a diabetic for about 10 years.The doctors who treated her told her to eat more wheat based meals instead of rice based ones and told her to increase the dosage of tablets when sugar level crossed 200 .No doctor ever told her about carb counting which IMO, was the first thing she should have been told.I came upon carb counting from some articles on the internet.She is…
The conversation with the doctor/nurse should go something like:
You have diabetes. Your body has become insulin resistant because you ate too much sugary/starchy stuff. Eat less of it and you will get better.
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#100I would love to be a customer of a competent company that managed body scans and the process of looking for deltas using humans assisted by software every N years.
Why?
Common medical wisdom now is that doing proactive body scans (usually just the trunk), even just MRI (so no radiation) is bad because it drives the expense and uncertainty of investigating every bump and shadow. And many of the tests will come back inconclusive. I understand that argument but it seems the way to deal with that is to focus not as much on scan #1 but scan deltas.
My anecodtal (IANAD) evidence is that in more than 5 cases of cancer in friends and families, a cancer diagnosis was delayed for many months from onset of symptoms and a few Oncologists have told me that they agree that for most of those cancers, that latency could have been improved if a baseline scan had been available of the organs/bones/nodes in question.
Not every patient would be a good candidate for such a service but the same is true for 23andme.