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Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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Post by axod »

froo wrote: post #20

I know the "official" reason, but I'm curious if there's any correlation between the blocking of mibbit and axod's post about how much revenue mibbit was making here ( http://axod.blogspot.com/2009/06/revenue-browser.html ) - the timing is awfully suspicious. I mean, a day after the post they "magically" have their own web client up that they would rather you use. I had a look at the qwebirc client they implemented,…

Another fun quote:

jtrucks: because mibbit users are retards and they think mibbit is the only way

Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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Post by swombat »

ankhmoop wrote: post #88
vollmond wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not too mention, a large proportion of those who would complain now have no means to do so.

Other than the vast quantity of available desktop clients, as well as the now-available freenode web IRC chat?

May people who use Mibbit do so because they are sitting behind firewalls that do not allow IRC.

The Freenode client is freenode-specific, and only works with freenode. It also lacks a lot of Mibbit's features, from the sound of it.

Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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Post by axod »

ankhmoop wrote: post #57
abstractbill wrote: post #54

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I don't see anyone requiring that, but publicly calling into question the integrity of Mibbit without offering any evidence that they cannot be trusted is really bad karma imho.

Freenode has absolutely no innate responsibility to extend trust to a third party such as Mibbit. I see no reason to judge them poorly for failing to do so, or how this reflects on Mibbit's integrity.

Do you know what it took to get WEBIRC support setup with irc.mozilla.org? Rizon? efnet? slashnet? I popped in and asked. It's the same on most Networks.

They don't have any responsibility to provide it, they can do what they like to their users. But I think their users liked it - which is why thousands of people used mibbit to connect to freenode.

Freenode clearly has a closed management culture, which is why they want complete control of everything. I don't think that makes for a great community.

Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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Post by ankhmoop »

swombat wrote: post #90
ankhmoop wrote: post #85

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Our channels , not #freenode.

"Your honour, I thought he might object to being shot, but after I did it, he never ever raised the question! If that's not silent agreement, I don't know what is!"

If a project developer, active user, or someone else with genuine stake in the project community complained, we'd pay attention ... but nobody has, despite the numerous venues available to them to do so. Your honour.

It's not our responsibility to account for, be accountable to, or be concerned for outliers.

Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

#97

Post by ankhmoop »

swombat wrote: post #94
ankhmoop wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other than the vast quantity of available desktop clients, as well as the now-available freenode web IRC chat?

May people who use Mibbit do so because they are sitting behind firewalls that do not allow IRC. The Freenode client is freenode-specific, and only works with freenode. It also lacks a lot of Mibbit's features, from the sound of it.

Quite a few of my development peers sit behind such firewalls and yet can and do still connect using their desktop clients. It's not something we discuss, so I don't know what method they're using, but as a member of the community in question it's fairly readily assumed that you'd know how to handle such a situation. We're under absolutely no responsibility to provide "IRC accessibility" to all comers.

Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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Post by ankhmoop »

swombat wrote: post #87
ankhmoop wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freenode has absolutely no innate responsibility to extend trust to a third party such as Mibbit. I see no reason to judge them poorly for failing to do so, or how this reflects on Mibbit's integrity.

Freenode, by their own definition (lifted from the google search result for "freenode"): Provide a friendly interaction environment for project coordination and for the support of community projects. Freenode, as a communication platform (and particularly as a self-described "friendly" environment) have a duty, to common sense and intelligence, to make reasonable efforts to encourage communication rather than stifle…

If AOL decided to proxy interested AIM users to Freenode, would it be Freenode's responsibility to provide the resources necessary to support those users as well?

What about Facebook? Google Talk?

As a member of several "community projects", I don't feel particularly slighted (and am, in fact, relieved due to decreased abuse) by the disconnection of Mibbit.

Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

#100

Post by froo »

ken wrote: post #77
froo wrote: post #34

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People abusing mibbit webchat to cause strife http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-wh... Honestly, freenode is loaded up with tech savvy users. This will solve nothing. If users want to cause strife on channels, the tool they use is inconsequential. Below are two scenario's off the top of my head. Scenario #1 - people will be using proxies and using freenode's webchat client = banning mibbit was…

I think the tool required to access a service is pretty darned important in determining your audience. Case 1: September 1993 (AOL on USENET). Case 2: Hacker News (intentionally plain design compared to, e.g., Reddit or Digg). Scenario #0: people will keep using mibbit, because it's convenient and what they used before, and harass IRC channels on other networks instead. (Sure enough, freenode's web client looks like…

Ok, so you're suggesting that there is a correlation between how attractive a user interface is and the number of users/trolls?

Well then let's break it down to its most simplistic form, the Operating System, seeing as that affects every service.

How do you account for Windows and OSX, seeing as most of your trolls would come from Windows based machines and yet most people would agree that OSX has the superior/most attractive GUI?

Just curious.

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