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Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Have a look at Diaspora

don't waste your time with this, it's an overhyped attempt at being facebook which is not what it should. have a look at the freedom box instead: https://www.freedomboxfoundation.org/

I'm a big supporter of freedombox - but today you can use a diaspora server operated by someone else, basically no pain. But freedombox is a long ways from a similar no-pain experience.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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You'd no doubt be committing all sorts of criminal offences in both the US and whatever (Western) country you send them from. It makes for a much better reason for getting the authorities involved in a hacked account than just the initial hack. It's also much less likely that someone will do it due to the hassle and lack of automation. Though no doubt some hot startup idea is about to be born...

How is photoshopping a bank statement/utility bill for the sole purpose of activating a Facebook account a "criminal offense"? The same question somewhat applies to government-issued IDs depending on state/country, since many laws regarding falsified IDs only apply to purchasing tobacco/alcohol.

In the UK it would be forgery - a forged instrument is "any document", and for it to be forgery they have to use it to "induce someone to accept it as genuine, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person’s prejudice"

I seriously doubt that the US is going have to have less strict laws regarding forged documents. Just because you think it isn't illegal doesn't mean it actually is.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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don't waste your time with this, it's an overhyped attempt at being facebook which is not what it should. have a look at the freedom box instead: https://www.freedomboxfoundation.org/

I'm a big supporter of freedombox - but today you can use a diaspora server operated by someone else, basically no pain. But freedombox is a long ways from a similar no-pain experience.

I have failed to find any list of "known attacks" against diaspora. But I would like to point out a fundamental flaw: What is to stop anyone from setting up a malicious server in diaspora?

Even if I don't trust facebook, I still trust them more than a random individual running a server.

Hopefully there are some solution for this? Perhaps server operators don't actually see any unencrypted data?

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

I tried it for over five years. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Texting is expensive and regional, and nobody uses email, wants to remember email addresses or IM handles, or deal with spam. WhatsApp totally fucked themselves by not running on tablets. For lots of people, the most effective way to reach them quickly is facebook messaging. That's fact, not opin…

"Texting is expensive and regional, and nobody uses email, wants to remember email addresses or IM handles, or deal with spam. WhatsApp totally fucked themselves by not running on tablets. For lots of people, the most effective way to reach them quickly is facebook messaging. That's fact, not opinion, and how intrusive or shitty facebook is totally irrelevant to that point. Not having a facebook account means that you are sabotaging your own communications effectiveness."

The people who'd do this are exactly those people I don't feel any need to communicate with. Is it work-related? E-mail and sometimes phone are given. Is it not work-related, but urgent? I still have a phone. Is that costly? Perhaps, but if you have six urgent things to communicate every day, perhaps you have a much worse problem than having to pay a lot of money. Is it anything else? Well, what could it be? I have no idea.

Frankly, this whole "you have to live a hectic social life, everyone's doing it!" movement puzzles me.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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I'm a big supporter of freedombox - but today you can use a diaspora server operated by someone else, basically no pain. But freedombox is a long ways from a similar no-pain experience.

I have failed to find any list of "known attacks" against diaspora. But I would like to point out a fundamental flaw: What is to stop anyone from setting up a malicious server in diaspora? Even if I don't trust facebook, I still trust them more than a random individual running a server. Hopefully there are some solution for this? Perhaps server operators don't actually see any unencrypted data?

The solution is to run your own server. If you want ultimate control, you have to do it yourself, which is painful - and one of the reasons I like freedombox which has, as a goal, to minimize the pain. They just aren't there yet.

The benefit of using a diaspora server operated by someone you trust is the decentralization. Facebook gets EVERYTHING about EVERYBODY, diaspora server operators only get everything about the users on their particular server.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

I tried it for over five years. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Texting is expensive and regional, and nobody uses email, wants to remember email addresses or IM handles, or deal with spam. WhatsApp totally fucked themselves by not running on tablets. For lots of people, the most effective way to reach them quickly is facebook messaging. That's fact, not opin…

Nobody uses email

This is an absurd statement - over 1 billion people use email, far more than actively use FB messages.

Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days.

Many people don't. I've never had an account and never had a problem in my professional or social life as a result. It's just never come up. If your friends all use Facebook, tell them it's a bad idea (for many, many reasons, including the one pointed out here) and to contact you with email/phone/text/twitter whatever other method they prefer. If they can't be bothered, they are not your friends.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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I tried it for over five years. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Texting is expensive and regional, and nobody uses email, wants to remember email addresses or IM handles, or deal with spam. WhatsApp totally fucked themselves by not running on tablets. For lots of people, the most effective way to reach them quickly is facebook messaging. That's fact, not opin…

"Texting is expensive and regional, and nobody uses email, wants to remember email addresses or IM handles, or deal with spam. WhatsApp totally fucked themselves by not running on tablets. For lots of people, the most effective way to reach them quickly is facebook messaging. That's fact, not opinion, and how intrusive or shitty facebook is totally irrelevant to that point. Not having a facebook account means that yo…

> The people who'd do this are exactly those people I don't feel any need to communicate with.

Okay, so you're a snob. Doesn't change the fact that you're shooting yourself in the foot.

There's nothing about wanting to be able to effectively communicate with people who use facebook messaging as their primary form of textual comms that dictates or necessitates a hectic social life.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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I tried it for over five years. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Texting is expensive and regional, and nobody uses email, wants to remember email addresses or IM handles, or deal with spam. WhatsApp totally fucked themselves by not running on tablets. For lots of people, the most effective way to reach them quickly is facebook messaging. That's fact, not opin…

Nobody uses email This is an absurd statement - over 1 billion people use email, far more than actively use FB messages. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Many people don't. I've never had an account and never had a problem in my professional or social life as a result. It's just never come up. If your friends all use Facebook, tell them it's a bad idea (for ma…

> If they can't be bothered, they are not your friends.

This is demonstrably false, and suggests that you don't like people very much.

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