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Re: Melatonin

#91
I've had on and off problems with insomnia, but have finally come up with a pretty reliable method for overcoming it. Some of my methods were used by others as well.

I think it's important to identify what's causing the insomnia. It's not always going to be the same thing for everyone, or even for you, every single time.

Some days, for me, it's just simply because I have too much on my mind. Other times, it's because I've had too much stimulation and some times, it's just because I haven't had enough physical exertion during the day (most of my work is on a laptop).

Here's the routine that I now employ and I've been really good for a number of months straight (I helped a friend create a similar "routine" and he even blogged about it).

So my routine is as follows

1. No HN, book reading ,or any kind of blogs, reddit etc (basically anything intellectually stimulating) after 8pm.

2. Some strenuous physical exertion (e.g. Gym) every 2nd or 3rd day

3. Anything that puts me into a more relaxed state, e.g Some fresh air at least half an hr before bed time, writing in a journal if my mind is going crazy with ideas, or reading some poetry/fiction (but nothing intellectually stimulating. i.e. something entertaining or relaxing).

4. No computer screens at least 45mins before bedtime

5. 1 teaspoon of blackseed oil 5 minutes before bedtime

6. A decent mattress (Mine is a silentnight miracoil) - Some people don't realise how important your mattress is and how badly it can affect sleep.

7. No stimulating conversation at least 45mins before bedtime, that includes emails, text messages, in-person conversations and phone calls.

I also make sure that i'm out of bed before 8am each day if i want to make sure I get good sleep for that night.

Basically, i've whittled it down to identifying which state is not in a relaxed mode and getting it to a desirable state .

i.e. emotional state (writing in a journal or meditative exercise), mental state (avoiding anything intellectually stimulating), physical state (physical exertion/blackseed oil/mattress)

Re: Melatonin

#92
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A quick google gives me a big bunch of options for buying Melatonin in the UK - http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/HealthNotes-Search?search=%... for example. Doesn't seem to be prescription-only unless I'm misunderstanding.

Wikipedia suggests prescription only in the UK. I think this is because it was banned as a food supplement in the 1990s, and only one medication got a licence, and that was a POM. Thus, any melatonin product is either an unlicensed medication (illegal) or prescription only. The page you link to doesn't allow me to buy any product. Entering [melatonin] in their search box doesn't return any products containing melaton…

Thanks for the detailed reply! Having looked into it a bit further - yep, you're right.

Re: Melatonin

#93
1) I don't think it's known how big the "addictive" effects are. Meaning, if you use it a lot, you might get "used to it"(downregulation), and require more to get the same effect. See the link at the bottom; My doctor told me not to use it more then 4-5x a week; I have anecdotal evidence of it being less effective from my use

2) It might not be as effective as you're making it. It surely isn't as simple as "replacing the melatonin you're lacking". Melatonin you naturally produce happens in a series of step; the melatonin you take via a pill surpasses some of these steps, which means there isn't the same effect.

See http://www.supermemo.com/articles/sleep.htm#Melatonin

Re: Melatonin

#94
I cut caffeine out of my diet, (apart from chocolate) which has more or less cured my issues with sleeping. I think I could start drinking it again, but only pre mid day.

It is very hard to do (headaches, sleepy in the day etc), but worth a shot.

I also use earplugs, which I find it very hard to sleep without now (unless drunk). They not only block out noise, but you get conditioned that when you put them in it's time to sleep, it kind of gets you into a sleep mind set.

The other thing I find helps is if I find my mind racing I try and slow my breathing down as much as I can. I think it works on two levels, I focus on breathing and free my mind of jumping all over the place and it also slows your heart rate and therefore oxygen to the brain, which I think has the same effect :P

Re: Melatonin

#96

Melatonin does work wonders, but you never know how your own body might react to it. I have many issues with my sleep cycle and quality of sleep. Melatonin is one of the few things that alleviates my problems. However, for me, it's only good for one night. I can take melatonin for one night out of a month, and get a blissful, restful night of sleep. If I take it two nights in a row, evil side-effects start creeping u…

Ditto on vivid nightmares, I actually posted similar before I even saw your comment.

I had to stop taking it.

Re: Melatonin

#97
post #7

Why didn't you mention about the effects of a calcified pineal gland resulting from a Vitamin D and magnesium deficiency? Those are very common among the older folk, resulting in poor sleep quality, poor immune system, even increased chance of heart attacks.

...and how can this be fixed?

Ignore the Vitamin D supplements that the other guys are suggesting and just go into the sun for 10 to 15 minutes a day.

Re: Melatonin

#98
My youngest daughter is borderline ADHD, and rather than trying Ritalin we've been using Melatonin in the evenings to help ease the bedtime process. (In the hopes that more sleep will help her cope with problems focusing.)

The change has been dramatic. Previously it was a 3-4 hour battle each night for her to get ready for bed and stay in bed. Now with 3mg of Melatonin she spontaneously decides to get ready for bed herself and goes to sleep in minutes.

The most interesting thing about Melatonin isn't that it makes you drowsy or helps you sleep, it's that it increases the _desire_ for sleep. While I don't usually have trouble sleeping, it's often hard to break myself free from a computer or a device at night, and Melatonin changes this. As the author says, "It works."

Re: Melatonin

#99
post #98

My youngest daughter is borderline ADHD, and rather than trying Ritalin we've been using Melatonin in the evenings to help ease the bedtime process. (In the hopes that more sleep will help her cope with problems focusing.) The change has been dramatic. Previously it was a 3-4 hour battle each night for her to get ready for bed and stay in bed. Now with 3mg of Melatonin she spontaneously decides to get ready for bed h…

I too have ADHD. I was diagnosed with it nearly 10 years ago now. I'm not hyperactive or anything like that. I do tend to bounce from one thing to the next sometimes, and this can be problematic around bedtime.

Not only that but I take medication to treat my ADHD. This medication is a pretty low dose, but sometimes it's still going strong at 8 or 9pm, which is not good for sleep.

Melatonin has helped A LOT. I take between 1 - 3mg. It's not a drowsy feeling. I just want to sleep after taking it. Glad to see there seems to be no side effects.

Re: Melatonin

#100
post #96

Melatonin does work wonders, but you never know how your own body might react to it. I have many issues with my sleep cycle and quality of sleep. Melatonin is one of the few things that alleviates my problems. However, for me, it's only good for one night. I can take melatonin for one night out of a month, and get a blissful, restful night of sleep. If I take it two nights in a row, evil side-effects start creeping u…

Ditto on vivid nightmares, I actually posted similar before I even saw your comment. I had to stop taking it.

Ditto for me as well.
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