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Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Not impressed with Fastmail - I tried their free offer, wasn't impressed, and didn't sign up for the paid service. I've since had over 100 (yup) emails telling me of my "OVERDUE PAYMENT" (the caps are theirs), and they ignore correspondence requesting that they stop. Marketing via harrassment - interesting tactic, and incredibly bad form, IMHO.

(I work for FastMail) Many apologies about this. It was due to an unexpected interaction with our billing system when we added the free trial functionality. We never intended to spam or harass people who decided FastMail wasn't for them. We fixed this about a month ago and overhauled the wording in our notices as well to make them friendlier and easier to understand.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Sick of this nihilist attitude. > the USA just did a bad job hiding the fact that you had none. Er, no - the USA are the main ones wholesale intercepting everyone's shit - I'm not a US citizen and I don't like it in principle. I did have a pretty good expectation of privacy until they started doing that, because no-one else has the resources to do a similar whole-take surveillance effort. Anyway, I signed up for Fast…

> Er, no - the USA are the main ones wholesale intercepting everyone's shit Why do you think this is? Do you really believe these efforts are not being taken by every major world covert agency?

At the scale the US is doing it? Absolutely.

Tell me what "other major world covert agency" has these:

- Gigantic data centres like the one in Utah

- Practically all Internet data flowing through their territories

- The large majority of all cloud storage user's data, and largest social network, in the world, with the added unchecked ability for this major covert agency to request query all this data

- Strong influence in the world's crypto-standards

- Control over the world's two largest closed-source Operating Systems and the proven ability to place backdoors therein (the latter only for Windows, dunno if they got iOS too, but why wouldn't they)

There's quite a few more areas in which the US definitely has an exclusive and unique ability to track and intercept the entire world's Internet data that other "major world covert agencies" most definitely do not possess.

Now put some names to it, the others are? China and Russia? I think it was pretty bloody obvious that nobody was suggesting to all start using cloud storage in those territories instead. But even then, it IS strictly better to have your data surveilled in part by China, Russia and the US, than to have all of it surveilled by a single entity, the US. Because you know it won't be shared between them, and that is a tiny bit of privacy gained. So that's already where your silly defence of your beloved Orwellian government falls apart.

Of course, there's other places still.

Take the Netherlands, definitely another bad choice, but at least none of these "major covert agencies" have a direct line into our data. Our own secret service (AIVD) can be rather cosy with the NSA, and they definitely perform surveillance on a level of intrusiveness that equals and exceeds that of the NSA, but not on a level of SCALE and that is, when it comes to data and privacy, what can make all the difference. When the NSA comes knocking on the door of a Dutch Internet hosting provider (this happened), they will refuse or tell them to contact the police or something. We have no "gag orders", "secret laws", "plea bargaining" or similar Kafkaesque nightmare fuel like the US, so if the police forces a company to hand over data to the US without an extremely good reason, heads will roll. Like everywhere, there is a lack of accountability in NL, but this much I trust. You guys wouldn't need gag orders if no one would give a shit, after all.

So, a tiny but heavily surveilled country like NL is already two steps better for hosting data than the US. And then there's even better places. I don't know, I've heard people mention Switzerland? What about some places in East Europe with not too much oversight? Either way, just fragmenting all that data instead of keeping all of it right in the hole of the beast, is going to make it a lot harder to develop a terribly powerful singular system such as XKeyScore.

Then, there's of course the tiny little slight caused by the fact that hardly anyone in the US gave a damn about the whole world's Internet data being intercepted and analyzed by the NSA, but only started to complain when it turned out that included them, too. Not just that, but even right here on HN some people have the audacity to argue that it's fine (expected, even) to do this to the world, as long as there are legal checks and rules before the same is applied to US citizens. Doesn't sit very well with me, that. Is already a great reason to grab my data and take it some place else, and tell all my friends in the world to do the same.

So just stop, stop making excuses for the US or the NSA, and start acting like a citizen of the world.

This is the Internet, this is the 21st century, just grow up beyond "but they're doing it toooooo!", and who are you?

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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The Myopera forums are rife with users complaining about missing features in the Opera 15+. Any unique features which distinguished Opera have been axed and most solutions seem to point towards using browser addons to accomplish what was previously in-built. They might have gained a few users, but it appears the majority of the current userbase will be sticking with Opera 12 for the time being.

I heard that they ditched the fit-to-width feature (ctrl-F11), do you know if this is true? It's one of those features other browsers simply do not have (Opera has a couple more but this one's pretty unique) that I really do use several times a day, and I'm not "upgrading" until I know they won't take that away. Not that it matters too much, features or not, I'm thinking to switch to Firefox because these are times n…

Fit-to-width did all kinds of magic at a layout engine level — it's not that simple to just reimplement on top of a new engine. And then there's the question as to whether Google would let an implementation would ever get upstreamed to Blink.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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How do you find Owncloud, is it reliable enough? I have heard it has a lot of bugs, can be very slow and in rare instances deletes data Good question. I have mixed impressions of owncloud so far depending on what area of the product you are using. The good parts: Contact and calendering managament. Just works. Integrates nicely with Android, Thunderbird, etc. Not very good synching back to Google though. I don't real…

Thanks for your detailed reply. It pretty much mirrors things I've heard elsewhere, it seems file sync is one issue in particular which can be slow and prone to errors, it is a shame as an all in one solution would be great. Funnily enough I have both Baikal and BitTorrent Sync running on a Raspberry Pi (model B/512) and it is handling it surprisingly well, I even use it as a destination backup server for some VPS's…

A question re: BTSync/RPi - I've got around 40-50 gigs synced up between my x86-64 computers (might be on the order of fifty thousand plus files) and the maximum memory it occupies is around 60-70 megs. It idles at 42MB. Since you already have the set up that I am looking into, I think you're the right person to ask, can the RPi handle that much? If not, what are the signs of it slowing down? If it helps, my hypothetical RPi would be connected via wires instead of USB-Wifi dongle.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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I think you're generally correct about users not caring about the rendering engine for the most part. I wouldn't care at all that they ditched Presto if it meant they retained all the previous features and user interface they had before transitioning. However, I am worried that is unlikely to happen. Looking at the course Blink based Opera has taken thus far, it doesn't look like they're focusing on keeping current u…

I still use Opera 12 because of the lack of features in the new version. My biggest pet peevs: Ctrl+Tab behavior (Opera default was 'previous tab' now it's 'next tab') and no thumbnails tabs on the left, and they removed the email client.

> and they removed the email client.

And the IRC client and BitTorrent client?

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Is FastMail a joke? I get more storage for free at dropbox and sugarsync. What exactly is this service bringing to the table? It feels like a 1998 business model to me...

A lot. http://www.maxmasnick.com/2013/07/19/fastmail/

HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6069944

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Thanks for your detailed reply. It pretty much mirrors things I've heard elsewhere, it seems file sync is one issue in particular which can be slow and prone to errors, it is a shame as an all in one solution would be great. Funnily enough I have both Baikal and BitTorrent Sync running on a Raspberry Pi (model B/512) and it is handling it surprisingly well, I even use it as a destination backup server for some VPS's…

A question re: BTSync/RPi - I've got around 40-50 gigs synced up between my x86-64 computers (might be on the order of fifty thousand plus files) and the maximum memory it occupies is around 60-70 megs. It idles at 42MB. Since you already have the set up that I am looking into, I think you're the right person to ask, can the RPi handle that much? If not, what are the signs of it slowing down? If it helps, my hypothet…

Looking at it, I have about 10k files and it is only using about 12% memory, perhaps not as bad as I thought. 50k should be absolutely fine I would think. Here is the output of top showing btsync at idle:

    PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S  %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
    2993 btsync    19  -1  122m  60m 2988 S  11.9 12.4 610:05.84 btsync
I have noticed that the CPU takes a beating during any sync operations, tends to grab 100%. I limit the CPU for the btsync process to 60% max and also overclocked the Pi up one level (after installing a heatsink kit). Here it is during typical filesync operations:

    PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S  %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
    2993 btsync    19  -1  122m  60m 2988 S  63.8 12.4 612:51.33 btsync
To limit the cpu I use cpulimit and put this in my /etc/rc.local

    /usr/bin/cpulimit -e btsync -l 60 -b >> /dev/null

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Fastmail has one of the few interfaces that gets infinite scrolling /right/. The outer mailbox div has overflow-y: auto; and the inner div is the combined height of every message in that folder -- my inbox has 11381 messages, and the height is 364192px. When the scrollbar is moved, JS automatically determines which messages to load. Messages themselves are tiny AJAX requests that take less than 100ms each. This is fr…

That infinite scrolling is AWESOME. I absolutely HATE everyone else's version that makes dragging the scrollbar useless as it jumps around.

I agree. The infinite scroll is really well-implemented in FastMail. It's much better than the pagination in Gmail, which makes it extremely difficult to jump, say, 2/3 of the way down in a search or label with thousands of hits.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Unless Opera are building themselves their own little Firefox OS kind of thing they're pretty much fucked moving forward. On the desktop their move to webkit successfully destroyed every reason to use Opera and doesn't measure up against rivals, and they've been netscaped out of mobile.

I don't think many people used Opera because of it's rendering engine; they used it because of the GUI and high-level features. Moving to webkit just let them focus on what actually made them unique to their customers.

They didn't just switch to webkit, they killed the product and made a chromium fork, and called it "Opera."
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