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Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by micampe »

anxiousest wrote: post #43
ihsw wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the future, when video playback isn't restored and Google makes a public admission that they don't intend on restoring it, would you mind if I remind you of how you were naive and foolish? When Google's next hardware product comes out, can we stop thanking them and instead point out how they have a history of releasing products that give users no control over what runs on them? Google has far more technical expert…

Only if you don't mind to be reminded of your own foolishness when similar functionality is enabled through SDK. I don't understand this animosity towards Google, it's like every little change to the status quo triggers a hate-fest here on HN accompanied with wild accusations (only to be debunked soon after). They pushed a system update that broke undocumented APIs, they could be patching a security vulnerability for…

> I don't understand this animosity towards Google, it's like every little change to the status quo triggers a hate-fest here on HN accompanied with wild accusations

It’s not just Google, we like drama around here.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by magicalist »

hobbified wrote: post #80
Ironlink wrote: post #75

Google has responded to a request for comment from The Verge. We’re excited to bring more content to Chromecast and would like to support all types of apps, including those for local content. It's still early days for the Google Cast SDK, which we just released in developer preview for early development and testing only. We expect that the SDK will continue to change before we launch out of developer preview, and wan…

Which is a disingenuous answer since he's not even using the SDK. The ChromeCast at least notionally supports an open protocol (DIAL). Only it doesn't, because if you try to use it with software other than Google's, it breaks.

> The ChromeCast at least notionally supports an open protocol (DIAL). Only it doesn't, because if you try to use it with software other than Google's, it breaks.

I believe that's just called "it doesn't support that protocol".

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

#93

Post by moreentropy »

Ironlink wrote: post #75

Google has responded to a request for comment from The Verge. We’re excited to bring more content to Chromecast and would like to support all types of apps, including those for local content. It's still early days for the Google Cast SDK, which we just released in developer preview for early development and testing only. We expect that the SDK will continue to change before we launch out of developer preview, and wan…

A real response would be "we blocked this app because $reason". This is just corporate BS. Great experience my ass.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

#94

Post by magicalist »

tty wrote: post #22
anxiousest wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how you went from "an update that broke undocumented functionality" to "evil".

It's hyperbole, a pretty common tool when expressing yourself. It's not a long way from Google's motto "Don't be evil" to "Be evil" and it doesn't take that much imagination to figure out what he meant. On the other hand, acting obtuse is rarely funny.

Except it's not only informationless hyperbole, it's also just a tired catchphrase at this point. Witness the thread from yesterday on the verge story covering the same post that is this submission[1]. You'll notice a "Don't be evil" and an "Open always wins" comment there too. Mix in some beowulf clusters and netcraft confirmations and we can be well on our way to generating these threads via markov chains. No humans needed!

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6273292

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

#95

Post by [deleted] »

ihsw wrote: post #78
anxiousest wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you don't mind to be reminded of your own foolishness when similar functionality is enabled through SDK. I don't understand this animosity towards Google, it's like every little change to the status quo triggers a hate-fest here on HN accompanied with wild accusations (only to be debunked soon after). They pushed a system update that broke undocumented APIs, they could be patching a security vulnerability for…

If Google were to correct me then I would gladly eat my hat. Personally I feel no such animosity towards Google , however any perceived hostility towards Google is purely coincidental -- my hatred is towards bait&switch and other parasitic corporate practices.

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Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by espeed »

My Chromecast arrived today. I set it up on my living room TV, and to my surprise, my Nexus pad is also presenting the wireless TV in the kitchen as a playback option. Is this a documented feature?

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by nivla »

Ironlink wrote: post #75

Google has responded to a request for comment from The Verge. We’re excited to bring more content to Chromecast and would like to support all types of apps, including those for local content. It's still early days for the Google Cast SDK, which we just released in developer preview for early development and testing only. We expect that the SDK will continue to change before we launch out of developer preview, and wan…

> We expect that the SDK will continue to change before we launch out of developer preview, and want to provide a great experience for users and developers before making the SDK and additional apps more broadly available.

Then why are they offering it in retail stores like best buy? Sucks that you buy something for feature X and few days later an update comes through getting rid of it. Does anyone know how hard is it to reverse this update?

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by jlgreco »

BitMastro wrote: post #84
jlgreco wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ripping functionality out from under paying customers is not something that just "bothers" people. Hiding behind terms of use on SDKs isn't something that mellows the sting of this to users who probably don't even know what "SDK" means. This situation invokes to comparisons to certain companies that had rather poor reputations in the 90s. Companies the slogan was almost certainly meant to differentiate Google from. I…

I see that you prefer downvoting rather then having a discussion, so I will stop here. Edit: Apologies, I didn't know that rule, it was obviously someone else.

1) I responded to you. Obviously. You just replied to my response to you.

2) Because your comment was in response to one of mine, it is impossible for me to downvote it. I can only downvote comments that are in response to others.

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by jlgreco »

jonknee wrote: post #86
jlgreco wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've had a long time to prove that using automatic updates to remove features is a recipe for disaster. In fact, I seem to remember a certain company using forced updates specifically to remove users' ability to install other OSes on their devices... Just because you can install another OS on your chromebook today doesn't mean you will be able to in the future. Get out now, or you are making a gamble.

> We've had a long time to prove that using automatic updates to remove features is a recipe for disaster. In fact, I seem to remember a certain company using forced updates specifically to remove users' ability to install other OSes on their devices... They didn't remove a feature... They removed an undocumented setting for an SDK that has warnings all over the place that the API is not final and to not release an a…

From my response to somebody else in this discussion: " Hiding behind terms of use on SDKs isn't something that mellows the sting of this to users who probably don't even know what "SDK" means."

Re: Chromecast update breaks AllCast

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Post by Karunamon »

ihsw wrote: post #82
jmillikin wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When Google's next hardware product comes out, can we > stop thanking them and instead point out how they have a > history of releasing products that give users no control > over what runs on them? Consumer hardware devices that Google has released so far are: Nexus {One,S,Galaxy,4,7,10,Q}, Glass, Chromebook Pixel, Chromecast. All of the Nexus devices (except for the abandoned-before-launch Q) have official support…

Past performance isn't the only indicator of future performance. What will you say when it's revealed that the Chromcast is Google's first foray into locked hardware, and that they liked how it was well-received by consumers?

and what will you say when you're wrong? either scenario is just as likely from the information available
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