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That depends what you put in that word. To me socialism is not a bad thing.
To me, socialism isn't meaningfully comparable to liberalism. It's apples and oranges.
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To me, socialism isn't meaningfully comparable to liberalism. It's apples and oranges.
Well then you need to change your perspective I guess. Of course it's comparable. They are both political systems.
How about, instead of using labels like "liberal vs socialist" to express your point, you actually describe what you mean? Because you clearly haven't conveyed the contrast between Engelbart and the "younger programmers" that you wanted to.
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Well then you need to change your perspective I guess. Of course it's comparable. They are both political systems.
Socialism isn't a political system. Neither, come to that, is liberalism. Socialism is an economic system. Liberalism is a political philosophy. How about, instead of using labels like "liberal vs socialist" to express your point, you actually describe what you mean? Because you clearly haven't conveyed the contrast between Engelbart and the "younger programmers" that you wanted to.
You seem to like Wikipedia, so I suggest you go read up on it.
And please read what was actually written.
I was not expressing a point I was thanking someone for giving me a new perspective on things.
Whether your understanding of the words socialism & liberalism allow you to understand that is really not of my concern.
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>>>It's the perfect example of a practical solution Doug invented decades ago that still hasn't been matched by today's technology. I just told one my co-workers about this and he nearly broke down crying. I asked him who he was and he went into the same example you gave. To say he was ahead of his time is an understatement. Always sad to lose such a visionary. I'm just learning about some of these incredible people…
What is needed is a history project. See Max Jammer's Conceptual Development of Quantum Mechanics as a model. He was interviewing the Old Ones before they passed on.
Herbert Simon[1]
Norbert Weiner[2]
Marvin Minsky[3]
Richard Greenblatt[4]
Bill Gosper[5]
John McCarthy[6]
Barbara Liskov[7]
J.C.R. Licklider[8]
Edit: and, of course, we can't neglect Vannevar Bush[9] or Claude Shannon[10] either.
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[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_A._Simon
[2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbert_Wiener
[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky
[4]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Greenblatt_(programmer)
[5]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gosper
[6]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCarthy_%28computer_scien...
[7]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Liskov
[8]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.C.R._Licklider
Doug was the Albert Einstein of our field. Oral history for people who want to learn more about him: http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/hasrg/histsci/ssvoral/enge...
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What is needed is a history project. See Max Jammer's Conceptual Development of Quantum Mechanics as a model. He was interviewing the Old Ones before they passed on.
It would be amazing if someone could do more historical documentary type work on early pioneers in computing. I've learned a ton about Doug Englebart since seeing this post about his passing, and I now regret not having studied his work more closely earlier. It also reminds me that there are many others who probably had / have insightful things to say that could be lost to the sands of time. Ted Nelson seems like an…
Is there any particular order I should tackle these?
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It would be amazing if someone could do more historical documentary type work on early pioneers in computing. I've learned a ton about Doug Englebart since seeing this post about his passing, and I now regret not having studied his work more closely earlier. It also reminds me that there are many others who probably had / have insightful things to say that could be lost to the sands of time. Ted Nelson seems like an…
This is such a great list, I just started frantically jotting some of these names down so I can start digging into their work. Is there any particular order I should tackle these?
Artificial Life
and
Hackers: Heroes Of The Computer Revolution
That said, the stuff Claude Shannon did basically established the field of Information Theory[1], which underpins huge swathes of our modern digital world. You could do worse than reading up on him.