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Unless you have a real emergency and need assistance, it's best to avoid the police whenever possible, even if you've done nothing wrong. Local police forces have many officers that are poorly trained and believe that they have plenary power or act as if they do in any situation. Of course, this isn't true about all local police officers, but if you don't know which officers are the good ones, you should just avoid a…

If the best advice in the US is to avoid the police you've got a very serious problem. It sounds like travel advice from a third-world country.

This. Completely true.

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#92
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Yes, that is sad and it makes me angry too but it's hardly relevant for HN, is it?

Its laws about the use of technology, notably cell phone's with video cameras. Totally relevant to news for hackers.

well. The site is marginally about that. It seems actually more to do with the right to record officers.

Honestly does seem like pure politics to me. I don't see a discussion about how the inflation of cameras causes a rexamination of the rules, or how it's impacting things.

Frankly. That's a dubious connection at best. I know there's some people who don't like it. but I like hacker news to be about hackers.

As a citizen I find this interesting, as a hacker I don't.

Simple yes?

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#93

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What! How is this not related to HN? A lot of people here are from CA and would want to be aware of these incidents. HN guidelines clearly state that if it interests people then it is alright. And since it is clearly on top of the page, it interests a lot of people.

What to Submit -- Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. I disagree with you, because this is possibly a crime, non labeled graphic content, should be covered on the TV news, etc. Therefor I think it is probably off-topic.…

"Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link"

Also from the guidelines.

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#94

I hate to be "that" guy, but: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There is nothing Hacker News related here. At BEST we can tangentially relate it to our civil liberties, but that is a stretch. Let's keep things like thi…

As much as I want more publicity for this case, I agree. I don't want HN to be completely politics-free, as issues like SOPA and PRISM are deeply relevant to the startup community, but in this case, I think Reddit and TV news have got it covered. Reluctantly flagged.

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#95

I hate to be "that" guy, but: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There is nothing Hacker News related here. At BEST we can tangentially relate it to our civil liberties, but that is a stretch. Let's keep things like thi…

Let's see: The guy is using a smart phone to record in a public space and gets arrested (not to mention the dog). Use of smart phones (video apps etc) in the public space and it's implications are certainly HN-relevant.

This is ridiculous. A guy takes a picture of his cat in the park. He took a picture with his smartphone. Use of smartphones in a public space are HN-Relevant. Thus, we can now upload cute animal pictures to Hacker News.

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#96
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I hate to be "that" guy, but: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There is nothing Hacker News related here. At BEST we can tangentially relate it to our civil liberties, but that is a stretch. Let's keep things like thi…

'Hacker News' is whatever news is voted up by the users. While the original article might not be about programming or startups, people might still be interested in discussing it with like-minded people. In this case it involves technology and sousveillance, which is related to a lot of issues going on that are more 'hacker' related. It might not be that interesting to you or me, but it's at the number 1 spot on the h…

No; this attitude is exactly what allows for the community dilution. "Open membership" + "front page should be a representative sampling of 'anything the membership likes'" has its asymptote at "cat pictures."

A community starts with a focus, and its core members join because they want a focused community. But they invite their friends, who aren't necessarily fully interested in the core discussion--so discussion drifts wider. And as discussion drifts, more secondary members (only somewhat interested in the core topic) and event tertiary members (not at all interested in the core topic, only in the secondary topics introduced by drift) join, until the community no longer has any core topic or core userbase whatsoever. The core members see the community as useless (because it no longer gives them anything they couldn't find elsewhere on the internet), and leave to find/start another community that actually has a focus.

The only way to stop this process, is to either disallow "open membership"--e.g. you can't invite your friends if they're not also hackers--or to disallow "front page should be a representative sampling of 'anything the membership likes'"--e.g. by requiring that people vote to a criteria other than "what you personally enjoy." The HN guidelines are an attempt at the latter.

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#97

This will likely go to court and the dog owner will win a settlement for wrongful arrest. Here in LA I regularly hear stories like this. I don't know the local stats, but in NYC apparently the city has paid out over $500million in litigation settlements, including those for false arrest. [ see http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/10/wrongful-dru... ]

wishful thinking. My bet is that police will turn tables on him (like they did with that girl assaulted by police at night for buying pack of bottled water) and charge him with something like endangering of a life of an officer - 3 counts.

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#98
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I hate to be "that" guy, but: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There is nothing Hacker News related here. At BEST we can tangentially relate it to our civil liberties, but that is a stretch. Let's keep things like thi…

'Hacker News' is whatever news is voted up by the users. While the original article might not be about programming or startups, people might still be interested in discussing it with like-minded people. In this case it involves technology and sousveillance, which is related to a lot of issues going on that are more 'hacker' related. It might not be that interesting to you or me, but it's at the number 1 spot on the h…

This is the argument that many subreddits on Reddit took in the beginning - the content that is voted up deserves to be where it is. What ends up happening is that the low hanging fruit, the stuff easily consumable gets upvoted 'faster' because you don't need to think about it -- you digest it, upvote it, and you are done.

If you do this with enough banal content, the users who care, the users who want the site to be about interesting and important stories, leave, and the cycle continues. It ends up turning into an "Eternal September".

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#99
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So many questions! Why would they think it was alright to cuff the videographer? Why wouldn't they expect a dog to attempt to protect his owner? If they had successfully cuffed the gentleman and taken him away in the squad car, would they have left the dog in a hot car (a crime here in Pennsylvania)? Why weren't the other people taking videos also arrested? I hope some of these police officers lose their jobs, but ap…

Their story is going to be some nonsense about how everyone has to be cuffed for any interaction with police, this is standard procedure, just doing our jobs they way we were trained crap. The Police Department will regret the unfortunate necessity of shooting the dog, admit no wrongdoing, say officers acted according to normal police procedures in place in departments all over the country, etc. etc. ad nauseum. The city will wind up paying a whopper of an un-disclosed settlement, and nothing will change.
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