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Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

halo wrote: post #45
dschobel wrote: post #4

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I've never met someone who used any version of windows because they thought it was a reasonable way to interface with your computer, always for application compatibility.

I do. I like Windows a lot. I'm completely platform agnostic and I've used all 3 major platforms at various times but I always come back to Windows. I think there's a quiet majority of people out there who are perfectly happy with Windows but they don't tend to talk about it, whereas you do tend to get a lot of outspoken Mac and Linux users who are willing to both champion their platform as well as bash Windows at an…

I love the phrase "platform agnostic." Does that mean that one doesn't think it is possible to know whether there are platforms or not?

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

derwiki wrote: post #58
access_denied wrote: post #51

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I think there's a big majority of computer users, quietly suffering under Windows and simply having no idea that there even exists an alternative.

I installed Ubuntu on a laptop I gave to my father a few weeks ago, and he's been using it exclusively. I don't think he can tell the difference between Ubuntu and Windows.

You know, I'm not one of those weirdos that think desktop applications are going away. But I'd say most people who keep up with software development believe that's the case. I think that would be pretty bad if the best we'll ever be able to do is Javascript. Anyway, IF most apps people are using are Web based and compatible with Firefox or a Flash version supported in Ubuntu ... it seems less and less like there would be much point in paying for, using, and dealing with Windows.

I think most seniors can just about already switch fine to Ubuntu.

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

anigbrowl wrote: post #61
access_denied wrote: post #51

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I think there's a big majority of computer users, quietly suffering under Windows and simply having no idea that there even exists an alternative.

That's who all those 'Hi! I'm a Mac' commercials are aimed at, I guess. Those who are suffering in ignorance are not power-users-in-waiting.

I thought those were just aimed at Hipsters and people who drink Pabst Blue Ribbon?

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by oomkiller »

jodrellblank wrote: post #86
quoderat wrote: post #81

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Sorry, I have to use what the company provides, not what I wish the company provided. That's the real world.

By that logic, if your company provided Windows 3.1 you would go around saying Windows has no multiuser support. Windows has an interface for doing what you asked. It had a bug / didn't work as described so they fixed it. Your company wont buy the fix, but that doesn't mean the fix doesn't exist. It means you can't take advantage of it, sure. But saying Windows doesn't support it is deliberately misrepresenting Windo…

You just said something monumental "Your company wont buy the fix, but that doesn't mean the fix doesn't exist. It means you can't take advantage of it, sure."

Thats one of the biggest things that Linux has going for it, if something breaks, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE FIX!

You can A. Fix it yourself; B. Get the latest source which probably has the fix (if it's a problem anyone else is having); or C. Filing a bug report and have the community fix it usually within a day, or even hours or minutes for really simple fixes.

Sure, Linux isn't for everyone, but for corporations and small businesses looking to save money, it looks better every day!

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by oomkiller »

I tried the beta of this on my Lenovo Y510 with Intel graphics and the performance was horrible, due to the video drivers not being updated for the new Xorg 1.6 architecture.

On a positive note, my grandfather continues to enjoy his new Ubuntu 8.04.2 machine though, a welcome change to the Xubuntu 7.04 machine that was a 500Mhz P3 with 128MB RAM.

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by krschultz »

RossM wrote: post #77
mseebach wrote: post #50

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> I think there's a quiet majority of people out there who are perfectly happy with Windows I think there's a quiet majority out there who's never tried anything but Windows, and think of their computer as nothing more than a tool, completely oblivious to such abstractions as operating systems.

I've used Windows pretty much all my life, but started out with Linux (Ubuntu, briefly openSUSe and back to Ubuntu again) a couple of months back. I don't see many problems with Windows apart from it doesn't like moving User documents/data to another drive. The resulting clutter from that is all down to me though. I haven't had an complaints with Vista. I'm warming more to Ubuntu now (although I only use it as a deve…

Blue screen of death at an inoppertune moment - then what? If the equivalent happens in Linux you put in a live CD and get that all important presentation off of it and go on your way. Not to mention that I can install Ubuntu freshly in under and hour, windows takes several times that by the time you install 4 drivers and reboot after each one, install a half dozen apps that aren't included by default etc.

That was pretty much what sold me, I was 30 something hours into a Solidworks project that forced me to use Windows, and the machine BSOD me at 4am the day it was due. If you rely on a machine you have to have faith it will work during crunch time.

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by krschultz »

briansmith wrote: post #84
quoderat wrote: post #21

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Exactly. Powershell is some improvement, but still a pale imitation. Windows feels fragile, and often is when you try to do anything difficult. How to bring an ethernet adapter down then up with a script in Windows? Very difficult, WMI calls and such. In Linux? A line (really, a few characters) of script. Just one of the differences I've run into recently.

In Windows it is very rare to ever have to do ifdown/ifup.

In linux its very rare (never) to have to dig up a floppy drive whenever you need to install onto a motherboard using AHCI.

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by krschultz »

jodrellblank wrote: post #86
quoderat wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I have to use what the company provides, not what I wish the company provided. That's the real world.

By that logic, if your company provided Windows 3.1 you would go around saying Windows has no multiuser support. Windows has an interface for doing what you asked. It had a bug / didn't work as described so they fixed it. Your company wont buy the fix, but that doesn't mean the fix doesn't exist. It means you can't take advantage of it, sure. But saying Windows doesn't support it is deliberately misrepresenting Windo…

So wait, the thing I paid hundreds and hundreds of dollars for over the year won't give me the new fixes unless I fork over more money, but the free one will?

I can see not getting new features put into XP, but fixing BUGS should be free.

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by krschultz »

whacked_new wrote: post #64
dschobel wrote: post #4

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I've never met someone who used any version of windows because they thought it was a reasonable way to interface with your computer, always for application compatibility.

For hybrid tablet users, Windows is the only way to go, and in that respect, I think the MS team did a pretty damn good job with the bundled functions in Vista. And those who haven't used tablets before don't know what you're missing out on :-)

Why do you say that? We're all using Lenovo X61's with Ubuntu and its full featured.

Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released

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Post by thm »

krschultz wrote: post #96
RossM wrote: post #77

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I've used Windows pretty much all my life, but started out with Linux (Ubuntu, briefly openSUSe and back to Ubuntu again) a couple of months back. I don't see many problems with Windows apart from it doesn't like moving User documents/data to another drive. The resulting clutter from that is all down to me though. I haven't had an complaints with Vista. I'm warming more to Ubuntu now (although I only use it as a deve…

Blue screen of death at an inoppertune moment - then what? If the equivalent happens in Linux you put in a live CD and get that all important presentation off of it and go on your way. Not to mention that I can install Ubuntu freshly in under and hour, windows takes several times that by the time you install 4 drivers and reboot after each one, install a half dozen apps that aren't included by default etc. That was p…

You can put a Linux Live CD in a Windows computer and still get at your data, and I haven't seen Windows crash that often recently. I'm using Mac and sometimes Linux and have seen Mac OS crash more often that Windows.

I feel more comfortable in Mac OS, though. I've used Ubuntu a few years back and prefer that over Windows as well.

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