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Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by jamesaguilar »

coldtea wrote: post #84
jamesaguilar wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I believe P(service available to me | I'm paying for it) is higher than P(service available to me | I'm not paying for it) for most services where both are an option. I'm not going to go into all the reasons for that belief. I'm sure you're a creative person and can guess some of them. Suffice it to say that I think there is some reason to believe it. If you don't, by all means run your important business pro…

Seems like a fallacy to me. It's not as clear cut as the P vs P you make it be, anyway. In many cases you're better of with Google that with some _small_ paying service your paying $20/month to use, merely because Google has more money/people/tech to spend on making the service better, avoiding to fall under, etc. As for paying a _large_ company to their service, well, if you're like 0.001% of the profits of the serv…

I'm not sure what kind of fallacy it would be that I make decisions based on my rationally derived probability estimates. If there is such a fallacy I would love to hear about it.

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by bmj »

Lewisham wrote: post #65
Samuel_Michon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can download some of your Google data using Google Takeout. It’s far from complete, but if you’re still using Google services, it doesn’t hurt to download a backup once in a while. The Data Liberation Front lists which services can be backed up, and how to do it: http://www.dataliberation.org/

FWIW I believe Takeout does work when your account has been disabled, so that you can transfer to another provider. EDIT: Although sadly it looks like Gmail is not part of Takeout :/

Right, Gmail is not part of Takeout, but there are third party apps to facilitate this:

http://gmvault.org/

http://www.gmail-backup.com/

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by eksith »

Lost count of how many times this was mentioned, but it bears repeating still :

You don't own what you can't control. Even if your name is on it, even if you've given it to everyone, even if you use it on a million other accounts as a means of access and an identity, you don't really own it.

This is why, I still keep a contact@domain for professional work while saving all my personal stuff on Gmail locally via POP.

The nice thing about HN (or the bad thing; depends on your perspective) is that it doesn't need an email. I wish more watering holes were like that. Alas, people are flaky with passwords and need resetting from time to time.

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by D9u »

antoko wrote: post #61
D9u wrote: post #10

Of course the author preformed daily backups to removable media and other cloud based services? Let this be a lesson. Data redundancy is important!

Please don't use the term "Data Redundancy" like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_redundancy We have a term for what you're describing already - Backups

What a terrible article... If the data sets do not match then there is no redundancy. The Unix command line has a wonderful tool called "diff," which compares files line by line.

Or, there's Git, which is even better.

What I'm getting at is that we are the first line of defense when it comes to our data.

I'm sure you've heard the colloquialism, "don't keep all your eggs in one basket?"

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by sneak »

ubersync wrote: post #59
sneak wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is already an effort underway to decentralize email. It's called SMTP and works really well. I think they started it sometime in the 80s?

But it was again re-centralized in late 90s with the advent of hotmail and all. What I wanted to say was, we need to re-decentralize it.

Gmail and Yahoo Mail and Facebook Mail and my personal mail server all stand in contradiction to your claim.

Stop making things up just because you want to complain about the Google. Nobody will fault you for a simple "Fuck Google, they're demonstrably evil and have access to way too much data now," which is what it seems to me you're driving toward.

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by mattzito »

blantonl wrote: post #46
svachalek wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Somehow"? What other "cloud provider" does John or Jane Q. Public use?

I don't think his comment was focused on John or Jane Q Public, but rather the general use of cloud services and the dangers of these types of events happening. For instance, I host most of my business on AWS. We recently had a compromised server that delivered malware to some of our Web visitors resulting in Google completely blacklisting our site, and ultimately resulting in AWS sending us a threatening notificatio…

This has always been the way it works with hosting providers and even colocation facilities. You have an obligation to keep your infrastructure healthy, or the provider has an obligation to shut you down before they get a reputation for being malware/spam/badness-friendly and have to worry about their peering relationships and the like.

Nothing new here because it's "the cloud".

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by prawn »

tytso wrote: post #90
ceph_ wrote: post #83

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Sounds like a really wild accusation to me. Is their anything to back this up besides their speculation?

There's also the question of whether the original poster was telling the truth, or even told the whole story. If for example, the spreadsheet had a form for the entry of usernames and passwords, and someone came across it (maybe because it was e-mailed out to lots of people), and reported it as an attempted account phishing form, that would certainly explain an account getting suspended for an TOS violation --- and a…

Should still get better recourse than tapping people you know and crossing your fingers for six days. Even if it's a paid expedited review, though that obviously is a flawed suggestion.

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by jfoster »

RawData wrote: post #77

I don't understand why no one has sued google over this... That would be my first reaction...

It would be interesting to know if that might be a path for someone with a sealed closed account to at least get access to their data back. I imagine Google would want to settle such a case, and giving the customer a dump of their data would seem an easy route to settlement.

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by DigitalSea »

If anyone has ever had to deal with an AdSense account suspension, this story will hit close to heart. I find it alarming that Google suspended his account over a spreadsheet which contained login details for a client (I do this for managing my various domain and hosting accounts in Google Docs). While we haven't heard the full story of what happened here, the fact they restored his access proves he didn't do anything that really violated the TOC otherwise his account access would not have been reinstated. Seems to me this is a case of Google doing the wrong thing here, their lack of customer support is frustrating.
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