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Grad Student Who Shook Global Austerity Movement

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Re: Grad Student Who Shook Global Austerity Movement

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You would be surprised how many things that exist around you are based around faulty models based on incorrect data - that's the problem with higher dimensional fields like economics and finance - it's hard to separate cause and effect and extract principal signals for an arbitrary phenomena, without getting bogged down in correlation hell. You have been warned - the further fields get from pure mathematics and isola…

who on earth thought austerity was ever a good idea? Lots of sensible people. The point of austerity is to stop spending money you don't have on stuff which does not clearly contribute to economic improvement. Every increase in debt must be balanced with a reasonable objective expectation that it will facilitate specific & significant increase in revenue greater than the debt and servicing thereof. If you've spent yo…

The idea that the US is running out of money or spending money it doesn't have is a non sequitor. The USG is monetary sovereign that issues it's own currency, and therefore has infinite ability to spend in dollars. Really, it's not even accurate to say the government "has" or "doesn't have" any money. We have an institutional arrangement whereby we cover all spending in excess of taxation by debt issuance, but that is just that--an particular institutional arrangement. The constraint is only inflation--is the USG spending in excess of what the economy's productive capacity can absorb? All available evidence suggests no.

Not to say that waste, corruption, poor capital allocation, etc aren't all legitimate problems. But that's not the question at hand.

Re: Grad Student Who Shook Global Austerity Movement

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You would be surprised how many things that exist around you are based around faulty models based on incorrect data - that's the problem with higher dimensional fields like economics and finance - it's hard to separate cause and effect and extract principal signals for an arbitrary phenomena, without getting bogged down in correlation hell. You have been warned - the further fields get from pure mathematics and isola…

who on earth thought austerity was ever a good idea? Lots of sensible people. The point of austerity is to stop spending money you don't have on stuff which does not clearly contribute to economic improvement. Every increase in debt must be balanced with a reasonable objective expectation that it will facilitate specific & significant increase in revenue greater than the debt and servicing thereof. If you've spent yo…

This is a great comment. Thank you for leaving it. Very well thought out and concise.

This is one of the biggest problems I have with Obama (and politicians in general): they apply the word "investment" to things that aren't "investments." Have they ever acquainted themselves with the definition of the word? Because the definition of the word is like you said, something which is expected to yield a return. It isn't an "investment" if you're just pouring money into a pit and burning it. Or giving it to people. Or creating or sustaining $50,000/year jobs at the expense of $1,000,000. But "investment" sounds good. So politicians bandy it about. All they're doing is spending.

Re: Grad Student Who Shook Global Austerity Movement

#93

You would be surprised how many things that exist around you are based around faulty models based on incorrect data - that's the problem with higher dimensional fields like economics and finance - it's hard to separate cause and effect and extract principal signals for an arbitrary phenomena, without getting bogged down in correlation hell. You have been warned - the further fields get from pure mathematics and isola…

Your last sentence is frighteningly flawed. Because it suggests that the US is borrowing from other economies around the world at obscenely low rates. This is not true. Sure, we're borrowing a little bit from China as we've always done, but they're less and less interested in loaning us money (essentially). So now what we have is a powder-keg with a fuse which has already been lit. We've started borrowing from OURSEL…

Increasing the money supply is not in and of itself inflationary, nor does it logically imply a depreciating exchange rate. This is true no matter how many times Austrians and confused monetarists say so.

Re: Grad Student Who Shook Global Austerity Movement

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post #91

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who on earth thought austerity was ever a good idea? Lots of sensible people. The point of austerity is to stop spending money you don't have on stuff which does not clearly contribute to economic improvement. Every increase in debt must be balanced with a reasonable objective expectation that it will facilitate specific & significant increase in revenue greater than the debt and servicing thereof. If you've spent yo…

The idea that the US is running out of money or spending money it doesn't have is a non sequitor. The USG is monetary sovereign that issues it's own currency, and therefore has infinite ability to spend in dollars. Really, it's not even accurate to say the government "has" or "doesn't have" any money. We have an institutional arrangement whereby we cover all spending in excess of taxation by debt issuance, but that i…

Don't confuse currency with wealth.

Re: Grad Student Who Shook Global Austerity Movement

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who on earth thought austerity was ever a good idea? Lots of sensible people. The point of austerity is to stop spending money you don't have on stuff which does not clearly contribute to economic improvement. Every increase in debt must be balanced with a reasonable objective expectation that it will facilitate specific & significant increase in revenue greater than the debt and servicing thereof. If you've spent yo…

It's actually not sensible to assume that basic principles apply to things that are complex and subtle. For example, a basic principle for centuries was that metal is too heavy to float, therefore it was clearly too heavy to fly. Simple, basic, and completely wrong - see for example today's airplanes. This is not to say that the opponents of austerity must have it all figured out, but rather that history has not been…

a basic principle for centuries was that metal is too heavy to float, therefore it was clearly too heavy to fly

Do you have any source for this, or are you making it up? For many centuries, the state of the art in metallurgy was not sufficient for making watercraft, much less aircraft. However this did not stop people using the available technology to make such flying things as arrows.

Re: Grad Student Who Shook Global Austerity Movement

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who on earth thought austerity was ever a good idea? Lots of sensible people. The point of austerity is to stop spending money you don't have on stuff which does not clearly contribute to economic improvement. Every increase in debt must be balanced with a reasonable objective expectation that it will facilitate specific & significant increase in revenue greater than the debt and servicing thereof. If you've spent yo…

> the point is basic principles apply You make the common mistake of assuming macroeconomics is just microeconomics at scale. A national economy isn't just a really big household. There has been no correlation between public debt ratios and the Great Recession or its recovery. The Recession was not triggered by high debts, it has not affected countries with higher debts more severely than countries with lower debts,…

Hmmm, not true. Your simplistic statement falls short of the facts and research. Here's a quote from a very recent paper which refutes (in part) your statement:

"The results of this paper have two important policy implications. First, since the results indicate a positive effect of government investment and a negative effect of government consumption, a reallocation of resources from consumption expenditure to investment expenditure is likely to reduce the growth impeding effects of public spending. Second, as government investment crowds out private investment, US policymakers are faced with a difficult task of finding a combination of public and private investment that minimizes the crowding out effect of public investment. According to the 2009 CBO report [1], all components of government expenditure will continue to grow over time. Therefore, it is imperative to assess the growth effect of government spending, particularly, the effects of key components of government expenditure on growth because the impacts of different types of government expenditure are not the same." Source: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/econ/2012/383812/

Did you catch that? Government consumption (which is, I would argue, the vast majority of government spending these days and more and more each year) impedes growth; Government INVESTMENT (and not the pseudo-investment that Obama is famous to talking about) enhances growth, but empirically also crowds out private investment.

And yes, while it's much larger and more complex, a national economy really kinda sorta IS a really big household. It still faces very real constraints and consequences. It is not God.

Re: Grad Student Who Shook Global Austerity Movement

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What's wrong with Paul Ryan?

You mean aside from the essentially unserious nature of his fiscal proposals, which promise to balance the budget by cutting both spending and revenue in such a way that the numbers don't come anywhere close to adding up?

Laffer Curve. Look it up. Even JFK understood it.

Re: Grad Student Who Shook Global Austerity Movement

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You would be surprised how many things that exist around you are based around faulty models based on incorrect data - that's the problem with higher dimensional fields like economics and finance - it's hard to separate cause and effect and extract principal signals for an arbitrary phenomena, without getting bogged down in correlation hell. You have been warned - the further fields get from pure mathematics and isola…

>that's the problem with higher dimensional fields like economics and finance - it's hard to separate cause and effect and extract principal signals for an arbitrary phenomena, without getting bogged down in correlation hell.

While I agree with you about the difficulty of understanding complex systems, your post sounds despairing. Accepting the inherent difficulty is vital to better analysis, but isn't a reason to avoid actual analysis.

Note for example that you wonder why austerity was ever considered a good idea. How do you "know" that austerity is a bad idea without analysis. It's only been about 80 years that we've had a better understanding of how a single household's economic considerations are fundamentally different than an economy's solely as a result of scale.

The naive analysis from classical economics would draw a parallel between a decrease in GDP and a decrease in household income, whereby it is prudent to decrease your consumption. However, while a households income is an exogenous factor, GDP is a product of the economy itself. During a contraction, there is generally the same amount of labor, capital equipment and technology as before the inflection point, it simply isn't being utilized or employed at the same rate.

Today, informed policy debates may weigh the continued harm that comes from leaving underutilized people and capital idle, against the reduction in signalling for needed structural change that may result from stimulus. Just as an example, it is easy to argue that rescheduling bridge and road construction that will be needed later to a current period when labor is cheaper and equipment isn't being used elsewhere is prudent. Yet on the other hand, doing so may signal over-investment in construction careers and heavy equipment.

In the past, policy debate would have focused on balancing well-meaning charity of helping out people on hard times against austerity which was believed to be beneficial for the economy as a whole. How can you even begin to determine whether assumptions about belt-tightening being constructive are flawed without economic analysis?

I think the lesson to be learned from this event is first the importance of more rigorous scrutiny of results, but more importantly to be distrustful of the type of politician who searches for studies to support their preconceived conclusions. A good portion of policy makers advocating austerity, have done so from a stance of dismissing the analysis that doesn't fit their ideology, rather than a scientific approach of starting with a hypothesis and assessing the available competing analysis in good faith.

Re: Grad Student Who Shook Global Austerity Movement

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IF that job last longer than 20 years and the salary increases at least in pace with inflation, then why is that so stupid? It's no stupider than a home mortgage lender spending $1,000,000 to create a $5,000/month 30-year mortgage...

The salary increases don't have to keep pace with inflation... they need to keep pace with the interest rate on the $1M which is generally going to be higher than the inflation rate. Regardless, that's an interesting perspective. My follow up would be "do you think the government is well-informed and future-thinking enough to pick the jobs with 20+ year lifespans?" Personally, I don't think anyone is. Ten years ago,…

If the interest rate on the $1M is 2% then each year the "cost" of the $50,000/yr job is $20,000. So even if we don't factor in inflation (which would certainly change these calculations), it would take more than 33 years to "pay off" the $1M. You'd have to have someone work well over 33 years at $50,000 to recoup much return on your initial investment of $1M. Besides which, as you pointed out, a lot can happen in 33 years...how many jobs remain today that were around 33 years ago? Some of them, certainly, but many of the current crop of high paying jobs have been created in the last 10-20 years by innovation occurring organically in the private sector.

Re: Grad Student Who Shook Global Austerity Movement

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post #91

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The idea that the US is running out of money or spending money it doesn't have is a non sequitor. The USG is monetary sovereign that issues it's own currency, and therefore has infinite ability to spend in dollars. Really, it's not even accurate to say the government "has" or "doesn't have" any money. We have an institutional arrangement whereby we cover all spending in excess of taxation by debt issuance, but that i…

Don't confuse currency with wealth.

I'm not. The private sector generates wealth. One purpose of the government is to facilitate that wealth creation by running deficits to ensure there is sufficient demand for what our productive output supplies (due to growing capacity, income leakages from savings and trade deficits, distributional inequalities, etc)
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