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Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by duaneb »

infinitone wrote: post #71
_p62c wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook and Google have to do a lot of penetration tests to keep their security in tip-top shape, sure, they have a much larger attack vector in terms of code but my point is there: Where there is public facing code, there is vulnerability. Regardless of if you are built on Django, CodeIgniter, Rails or super-secret-obfuscated-language-mark-two, no application is bullet proof and it would be trivial for any highly s…

Unless you built it on you know... a language that barely anyone uses and has been reviewed and patched over the past 70 years. Like Fortran.

Most vulnerabilities probably aren't due to the language but the application writers, simply because there are more eyes on the language than the application.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by mkr-hn »

speeder wrote: post #50
antr wrote: post #11

In recent times I've gotten the impression that their is a double standard going on regarding certain (not all) services and events that are only targeted to women. If this had been an app for men rating and alerting them about certain women all hell would of broke loose.

There are a couple of schools around the world targeted at men, or women... One very interesting thing, is that schools targeted at women are seem as "traditional" and "bastions" or "empowering", specially if they are ancient and do have good education... Men schools, once regarded in the same way, are now being attacked, one of the best schools in the US for example is being sued for not taking female students, and…

> Men schools, once regarded in the same way, are now being attacked, one of the best schools in the US for example is being sued for not taking female students, and a common tag attached to them is "Backwards" or "medieval" or "inquisitors"

Which school?

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by shardling »

peterkelly wrote: post #53
StavrosK wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the former CTO of that company, I really doubt this. When I was there, the app was built on Django, and I left some pretty competent people behind, so I'm quite sure they wouldn't have made a mistake so rudimentary. However, I don't know what happened after I left, so there might have been some dubious decisions.

It was a joke BTW ;)

No, it was an attempt at a joke. :P

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by mseebach »

jeffreybaird wrote: post #8
jgrahamc wrote: post #4

I can't help feeling that the people who use such an app to date and rate deserve each other.

The issue is men don't use the app. I downloaded it on my SO's phone and was able to find most of the college age guys I know on it. None of them knew they were on there.

Have each of them demand a dump of their reviews from the service, as they're entitled to under EU data protection directive. If there's anything libellous in there, try to get a newspaper interested. The Daily Mail is probably a good choice for this mixture of sex and scandal.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by duaneb »

mkr-hn wrote: post #92
speeder wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a couple of schools around the world targeted at men, or women... One very interesting thing, is that schools targeted at women are seem as "traditional" and "bastions" or "empowering", specially if they are ancient and do have good education... Men schools, once regarded in the same way, are now being attacked, one of the best schools in the US for example is being sued for not taking female students, and…

> Men schools, once regarded in the same way, are now being attacked, one of the best schools in the US for example is being sued for not taking female students, and a common tag attached to them is "Backwards" or "medieval" or "inquisitors" Which school?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_colleges_in_the_United_Sta...

EDIT: I can't comment as to the criticism; I haven't heard any.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by lucian1900 »

wpietri wrote: post #27
shanelja wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem in this case is that in the same way women are most often the recipients of sexual discrimination, men are most often the recipient of being decried as sexual discriminators. It's so easy to look down on someone identifying as male as being discriminant but when the opposite is true, the male point of view is often ignored. Simply put, we are expected to man up, whereas women are expected to stand up.

I don't think it's quite as dramatic as you say. But personally I'm ok with it. Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Like Peter Parker and Voltaire say, "With great power comes great responsibility." Having received a substantial boost…

So? I didn't exist back then. Why should I suffer because someone else that happened to be the same gender as me was privileged?

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by duaneb »

jimzvz wrote: post #90
neya wrote: post #69

Where are all the feminists now? This is the perfect example of double-standards implied by women. Imagine an alternative scenario where men could rate their female counterparts on the basis of their 'assets' as defined by some vague methodology. Imagine how much fire under men would be, with ALL men being broadly labelled as sexists because this app was targeted at men. I am seriously asking - Where are all the femi…

> I am seriously asking - Where are all the feminists now? Especially the ones who know this app.. Don't worry, they are certainly ready with the argument that it is the "patriarchy" that makes this app acceptable but not the reverse.

Most (all?) women I know who identify as feminist activists would not support this app, and I highly doubt anyone who would is really a feminist. This is equally harmful to women.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by Steuard »

I have two reactions to this, and I think most people who care about sexism in our society would agree with both:

1. From the sound of it, this is a horribly sexist product that dehumanizes men and reinforces traditional gender roles. I hope to one day see a world where an app like this couldn't exist because there would be no demand (and because everyone would be disgusted by the basic concept).

2. Actively opposing this product is a lower priority than many other issues in our society. While this app does harm the men it targets, that harm occurs against a social backdrop that does not in general emphasize treating men this way. (That is, such attitudes exist, but they are rarely the primary lens through which men are viewed.) In contrast, a similar app targeting women would reinforce negative social norms that are often the primary way in which women are viewed. (Consider how often articles about women in politics comment on their appearance and clothing choices, as compared to how often articles about men do so.)

In short, every feminist that I know would be unhappy about this system, but there's no hypocrisy in those same people being less upset about it than about similar treatment of women. Yes, both men and women suffer unfair treatment because of how our society deals with gender. But women have much farther to go.

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